Who's at fault here in this car crash

[geared]

Yes logic would say that too. However the Rotherham turn off is classed as a 2nd left turn on this 6 exit roundabout.

 

The confusion lies with the markings on the approach not matching up with those on the roundabout.

 

Yes exactly, but as Obelix has said you have to drive with the road markings directly in front of you, not the ones you have already passed.

[Obelix]

To be fair, You can get to Rotherham by going up the lower viaduct deck and then right along Meadow Bank Road....

 

The signage on the way into the roundabout is not going to get people in quite the correct lane, but even so it's up to people to not hit things on the roundabout when they get onto it..

[SnailyBoy]

Yes, but as I have said, the road signs are wrong/confusing and the driver of the white car followed one set of markings over another. Then swerved into another vehicle. This is where the fault lays. Its nothing to do with the markings prior to the junction as the white car failed to follow the road layout ahead of him/her.

 

You've not demonstrated that the current road signs are wrong/confusing. All you've done is demonstrated that they were previously different.

[truman]

To be fair, You can get to Rotherham by going up the lower viaduct deck and then right along Meadow Bank Road....

 

The signage on the way into the roundabout is not going to get people in quite the correct lane, but even so it's up to people to not hit things on the roundabout when they get onto it..

 

Yep,you certainly could,but that doesn't tally with the "straight on " arrow on the approach to the r/a...it's really a cockup between road markings and drivers..white one should have looked over his shoulder,black one should have approached in correct lane..road markings should match on approach and roundabout..

[Berberis]

Following your logic, every driver in every lane approaching the roundabout from sheffield (ie the white car, the black car, and any car to the right of the black car) should all use the outer (ie left hand) lane of the roundabout and exit onto the left hand lane of the viaduct low level, as this is what the roundabout markings appear to indicate.

 

No, the road markings are there to see. When the road splits from 2 lanes into 3, the left hand lane is marked as M1N. So as you enter this lane you are entering a lane that makes no mention of Rotherham etc. Only after approx 40m does the late then include R'HAM. Once you enter the roundabout the road layout is clear you are to enter the M1. Irrespective of the previous markings directions.

 

Just because the road markings are incorrect, this does not mean you can ignore the highway code and cross lanes in such an aggressive manner. You have to check it is safe to cross a lane before the maneuver. The white car driver did not and this is why they are at fault.

[Michael_N]

To anyone who does generally think the white car is at fault I would suggest going to drive through this roundabout and following the signs. You will find almost all cars towards Magna are in the left lane and all the cars in the centre lane are towards Brinsworth or the M1 South - as should be the case. It's just unfortunate that in this case the white car wasn't paying attention to the black car cutting across into their lane. Assuming they could - but in this case assumptions have caused an accident.

 

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To be fair, You can get to Rotherham by going up the lower viaduct deck and then right along Meadow Bank Road....

 

The signage on the way into the roundabout is not going to get people in quite the correct lane, but even so it's up to people to not hit things on the roundabout when they get onto it..

 

You can also get to Rotherham by going through Brinsworth. Maybe road numbers would be more appropriate here? So left could be M1N and A631N (to keep the left lane for left turning vehicles only) and then the centre lane could be A6178, A631 S and M1S?

[Obelix]

Yep,you certainly could,but that doesn't tally with the "straight on " arrow on the approach to the r/a...it's really a cockup between road markings and drivers..white one should have looked over his shoulder,black one should have approached in correct lane..road markings should match on approach and roundabout..

 

Should but they don't as you say.. hence you should only drive on whats in front of you..

 

Now if you just to the other part of the roundabout coming off the lower deck going south you get this...

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.41403,-1.402167,3a,75y,102.37h,66.34t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sqbl5ANkAQ2fuhBntv9N1PQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dqbl5ANkAQ2fuhBntv9N1PQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D284.99036%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100

 

Here the crosses on the lane markers show that there are lanes that can cross each other which I personally think is a much better way of showing people where they can go and alerts and warns that some people may want to cross other lanes...

 

As an aside I once had (well volunteered) to tow a disabled artic off of the northern roundabout to meadowhalls overspill car park. The police just shut everything off for ten minutes as they said the chance of an accident was immense due to people just not understanding the lanes on the roundabout - and Landrovers being not especially fast at dragging a lorry in low ratio as well.

 

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To anyone who does generally think the white car is at fault I would suggest going to drive through this roundabout and following the signs.

 

I don't car about the signs that I have passed. That's the problem. The signs and arrows are not relevant - the lane divisions are.

[Eater Sundae]

Yes spot on white cars fault ./ Keep out of inside lane cars are always liable to go left on a roundabout.// ONLY GO ON INSIDE LANE JUST BEFORE YOUR EXIT

 

As someone has already said, above, this is no longer a roundabout. It is a series of light controlled junctions, which happen to be on a circular layout. Just because there are lines going across the junctions, it doesn't mean you should follow these in preference to the main road markings.

 

The turn off towards Savile Street from Derek Dooley way has similar markings to guide traffic crossing Derek Dooley Way. But the drivers on Derek Dooley way carry straight on without being diverted by the lines going across, because they look ahead and see the bigger picture, because it is easier to do when you are on what you see as the major, and straight, road. It is possibly more confusing at Tinsley, because it looks like a roundabout. But the traffic lights and lane and direction markings and signs take priority.

[geared]

To anyone who does generally think the white car is at fault I would suggest going to drive through this roundabout and following the signs. You will find almost all cars towards Magna are in the left lane and all the cars in the centre lane are towards Brinsworth or the M1 South - as should be the case. It's just unfortunate that in this case the white car wasn't paying attention to the black car cutting across into their lane.

 

 

I've driven it plenty, the markings on the roundabout clearly show the black car stayed in their lane and the white car cut across.

 

It was the black cars lane, not the white cars lane, there is no question of that.

[Erin]

In my view the black car is at fault. If the white car was at fault that means the trailing car with the camera footage is also in the wrong lane.