Supertramp Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Nope, you seem to be suggesting some Soviet-style rapid nationalisation costing hundreds of billions of quid. The manifesto has not said that would happen so are costing some fantasy that is in your head. Don't be surprised if people fail to indulge your reds under the bed paranoia Wait. (Serious question time) Does a Manifesto not cover what they are going to do in the next parliament, i.e. 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Nope, you seem to be suggesting some Soviet-style rapid nationalisation costing hundreds of billions of quid. The manifesto has not said that would happen so you are costing some fantasy that is in your head. Don't be surprised if people fail to indulge your reds under the bed paranoia I've suggested nothing..all I've done is point out what it says in the manifesto and asked how much it'll cost? Is that an unreasonable thing to do? ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 13:57 ---------- Wait. (Serious question time) Does a Manifesto not cover what they are going to do in the next parliament, i.e. 5 years? That was my understanding..I think I asked that a few posts ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny5 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 In response to Amber Rudd's goading of Corbyn about the magic money tree, Jeremy Corbyn should've said "Amber knows all about the magic money tree. Hers is a tax haven in the Bahamas." Hehehe!! If only he had Alas Corbyn isn't very quick witted so he didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Wait. (Serious question time) Does a Manifesto not cover what they are going to do in the next parliament, i.e. 5 years? Yes it does, but you are imagining a very specific implementation to suit your own agenda. I'm realistic enough to know that the implementation of any of it is going to have to acknowledge practicalities, and that those practicalities mean the lazy scare stories that posit the second coming of Trotsky are just plain idiotic. ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 14:29 ---------- I've suggested nothing..all I've done is point out what it says in the manifesto and asked how much it'll cost? Is that an unreasonable thing to do? ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 13:57 ---------- That was my understanding..I think I asked that a few posts ago.. Read the manifesto properly then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertramp Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Yes it does, but you are imagining a very specific implementation to suit your own agenda. I'm realistic enough to know that the implementation of any of it is going to have to acknowledge practicalities, and that those practicalities mean the lazy scare stories that posit the second coming of Trotsky are just plain idiotic. ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 14:29 ---------- Read the manifesto properly then. Nope. You are the one making assumptions. I'm just going off what the manifesto says and how much that would cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Yes it does, but you are imagining a very specific implementation to suit your own agenda. I'm realistic enough to know that the implementation of any of it is going to have to acknowledge practicalities, and that those practicalities mean the lazy scare stories that posit the second coming of Trotsky are just plain idiotic. ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 14:29 ---------- Read the manifesto properly then. Which part,relating to nationalisation,do you reckon I haven't read properly? Genuine question.. What do you think the extract I posted above means? (post #145) Edited June 2, 2017 by truman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Down in Corbyn's garden there stands a money tree It's gonna grow a fortune , 'Vote Jez' it all comes free He wants the votes from schoolkids, they're clued up at sixteen They'll all be nicely brainwashed, the lefty socialist dream If you want more education it will come without a fee There won't be many jobs though, he'll have killed the economy He's gonna create some 'real' jobs is old wizard Jeremy Manufacturing flip flops at the fluffy jamboree Free care for the young, free care for the elderly Tenner an hour minimum, to reduce the risk of poverty Equality and fairness go through your ABC But what about the rest of us, the likes of you and me We can all go dumping compost round Corbyn's money tree Edited June 2, 2017 by Michael_W typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Nope. You are the one making assumptions. I'm just going off what the manifesto says and how much that would cost. No you're not. The manifesto was outlined above and not once does it say that all the services will be nationalised in one go, or be fully nationalised, or what the timescale is, or what the model for nationalisation will be. You are interpreting it how you want which is your prerogative but I'm suggesting you have it wrong because you are arguing it is something very specific when it isn't. It's actually a super flexible set of commitments that any of a wide variety of outcomes could conform to. It's a very clever manifesto. It has you tied in knots trying to shoehorn it into your commie paranoia theories. ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 15:12 ---------- Which part,relating to nationalisation,do you reckon I haven't read properly? Genuine question.. What do you think the extract I posted above means? (post #145) All of it by the looks of things. See previous answer to supertramp. You just can't make that mud stick can you. Try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supertramp Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 No you're not. The manifesto was outlined above and not once does it say that all the services will be nationalised in one go, or be fully nationalised, or what the timescale is, or what the model for nationalisation will be. You are interpreting it how you want which is your prerogative but I'm suggesting you have it wrong because you are arguing it is something very specific when it isn't. It's actually a super flexible set of commitments that any of a wide variety of outcomes could conform to. It's a very clever manifesto. It has you tied in knots trying to shoehorn it into your commie paranoia theories Ohhhhh kay. You are interpreting it, I am just taking it literally. By clever, do you mean full of **** just like all other politicians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 No you're not. The manifesto was outlined above and not once does it say that all the services will be nationalised in one go, or be fully nationalised, or what the timescale is, or what the model for nationalisation will be. You are interpreting it how you want which is your prerogative but I'm suggesting you have it wrong because you are arguing it is something very specific when it isn't. It's actually a super flexible set of commitments that any of a wide variety of outcomes could conform to. It's a very clever manifesto. It has you tied in knots trying to shoehorn it into your commie paranoia theories. ---------- Post added 02-06-2017 at 15:12 ---------- All of it by the looks of things. See previous answer to supertramp. You just can't make that mud stick can you. Try harder. I'm not trying to make anything stick, I'm just asking questions...So now you're saying the manifesto doesn't relate to the next Parliament? If,as you say, it's a clever manifesto then how can we trust them to do anything that's in it? It's just a fiction in that case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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