apelike Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 nope, its not about police numbers, its a battle on the internet, and we are losing it The internet battle will never be won. To paraphrase a bit from Orwell's 1984: The war is not meant to be won but to be continuous, and so is the nature of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 if she had made the speech at a tory meeting surrounded by her supporters and with tory flags and slogans all around her ,then maybe you could've had a point . but she didn't and Corbyn did , but seeing as he is the messiah he can do no wrong It was a political speech. That is very clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 The bickering and personal attacks can cease now. If you continue then I will be happy to suspend accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 If you haven't got anything sensible to say, log off and pull the plug out. All you seem to want to do is throw stones at anyone/everyone who has an opinion that differs from yours. huh? well it hasnt, and shouldnt be added to the totals of "normal" knife crime incidents surely THIS WAS A MAJOR TERRORIST INCIDENT, some some random dude stabbing somebody on a bus, or the laundrette, there IS a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 If you haven't got anything sensible to say, log off and pull the plug out. All you seem to want to do is throw stones at anyone/everyone who has an opinion that differs from yours. it was a good point you can not compare the two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 The internet battle will never be won. To paraphrase a bit from Orwell's 1984: The war is not meant to be won but to be continuous, and so is the nature of terrorism. well we need to up the game regarding propaganda because thats how you stem the flow of these nutters becoming cannon fodder, you certainly dont do it by denouncing islam at every oportunity like some people enjoy doing. ---------- Post added 04-06-2017 at 21:02 ---------- it was a good point you can not compare the two exactly, finally some common sense. this was a one off incident..i hope, not a continous gang related thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Its not the truth and only what you want to believe. We are less safe today mainly because of a Labour Prime-minister that took us to war unnecessarily. Corbyn's criticisms may be partly correct in that police numbers may have fallen but do you honestly think that this attack could have been stopped if more police were available? Its patently obvious that having more police would not have stopped these one-off attacks as that's the nature of terror. Notice also that these perpetrators were also shot by armed police so any reduction in numbers didn't make a difference there. Yes Blair is part of all this as well. Totally agree. But who ordered action in Libya? In Syria? If you listen to police representatives they are saying that slashed numbers have made us less safe. They've warned about it for years. And you can't blame Labour for those cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It was a political speech. That is very clear. of course You think it was a political speech because it suits You Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister M Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 What was wrong with his tweet about political correctness ? At a time when most world leaders are pulling together in the face of a terrorist outrage which affects all countries, he chose to make his petty, divisive remarks over Twitter! Actually I'm glad that Theresa May and her Government haven't dignified what he said with a reply. Trump really isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Will you get into your head that there is very little extra police would have done to prevent this tragic incident. It was three men in a white van driving along a public road. All the extra bobbies on the beat would have been very unlikely to have stopped a perfectly normal looking vehicle on a public highway suddenly veering off and slamming into people. From current news reports the perpetrators were not known to any intelligence services and again all the bobbies on the beat would not have changed the fact that they were not expecting any attack. They would have had no reason whatsoever to stop this vehicle involved nor would there be any guarantee that they would be patrolling around through Borough Market at the exact moment of the knife attacks The police responded and shot dead all the perpetrators within eight minutes of the incident. that to me shows they were doing exactly what they were trained to do and in an absolutely rapid time frame. I am not saying that there should'nt be more police numbers but I'm also smart enough to know that cost money. A damn sight more money then Corbyn and mathematical genius Abbott seem to think in their fantasy land. That topic is clearly for a whole different thread and has absolutely sod all to do with this tragic incident. To seriously try and make the point that this whole thing could have been avoided by more police on the street is absolutely deluded. As for feeling more unsafe well that's a matter for you I certainly don't. I don't know how many more times I have to say this terrorism is not a new story. Personally I think Theresa May has a good point. Anonymous communication lines all over the Internet have created secretive areas where these things can be designed plotted and even carried out from the click of a mouse and the use of a mobile phone. That is something that wasn't existing 30 or even 15 years ago. You have your points that you seem to push on others as facts but what about a different view. How about thinking that policing may have totally evolved from the days of gentleman burglars breaking a window and stealing a telly to very sophisticated networks of crime communicating and operating from all over the world. To tackle such crime has evolved a lot more than just bobbies walking around the streets. I'm not just talking about police on the street although I am surprised that there were no armed police within one minute of the scene. In fact pretty stunned by that given the location. If you listen to what the police representatives are saying it is not just about presence on the streets, but about community outreach, intelligence gathering ---------- Post added 04-06-2017 at 21:08 ---------- of course You think it was a political speech because it suits You Because it was. Just listen to it. She laid out a number of policy objectives. There's a time and place for that and it isn't 12 hours after an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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