Can't wait for the 9th..

[L00b]

But aren't they against a hard border with the Republic of Ireland?

No, quite the contrary: they'd sooner a hard border with the RoI, than a hard border with the (rest of-) UK (a pragmatic solution long mooted to the EU/UK border problem between RoI/NI ).

 

Which is precisely why their prize is 'no special condition post-Brexit for NI' and exactly what it (really) means.

 

You might need to document yourself a bit about the DUP

 

Their loyalty to the Union knows no bounds. They'd sooner push the NI electorate of a cliff and jump off it themselves in the name of unionism, if it came to it.

 

And if there is no hard border, how can there be a hard brexit?

Wrong way around, Harrystottle: the form of the border will follow the form of Brexit. Edited June 9, 2017 by L00b

[I1L2T3]

Aren't the DUP linked to Protestant paramilitaries?

 

This is on another level to Corbyn. May is actually in government with a party that has terrorist sympathisers.

 

What irony. Couldn't make this up.

[melthebell]

Aren't the DUP linked to Protestant paramilitaries?

 

This is on another level to Corbyn. May is actually in government with a party that has terrorist sympathisers.

 

What irony. Couldn't make this up.

yup

 

and yup you couldnt make it up

[altus]

No, quite the contrary: they'd sooner a hard border with the RoI, than a hard border with the (rest of-) UK (a pragmatic solution long mooted to the EU/UK border problem between RoI/NI ).

 

Which is precisely why their prize is 'no special condition post-Brexit for NI' and exactly what it (really) means.

 

You might need to document yourself a bit about the DUP

 

Their loyalty to the Union knows no bounds. They'd sooner push the NI electorate of a cliff and jump off it themselves in the name of unionism, if it came to it.

Despite favouring Brexit they have said they favour a softer one - presumably because they know a hard border between RoI and NI would push people towards a border poll and reunification.

[L00b]

Despite favouring Brexit they have said they favour a softer one - presumably because they know a hard border between RoI and NI would push people towards a border poll and reunification.

The fact that 56.something % of NI voters wanted to remain in the EU might also have something to do with it, likewise the presumption that Hammond will not write them the blank cheque that they'll undoubtedly have been after.

 

Irrespective: whatever flavour Brexit eventually takes is not up to them, no more than it is up to Mrs May/Ms Davis. And they must surely know that too

[Harrystottle]

So we have a Remain ex-Prime Minister who called for a referendum secure in the knowledge that he couldn't lose it; and then lost it.

Which he only called because he thought UKIP were a danger to the Tories when in fact they took just as many if not more votes from Labour.

 

Despite promising to enact Article 50 "the next day" if he lost, and promising to stay the course through the Brexit negotiations, he promptly bailed out.

 

Now we have Remain Prime Minister who has to enact Leave and called an election to reinforce her position; and came out with a weaker position. So after a year of faffing about post-Referendum, we are no further forward.

 

Then we have a Remain leader of the opposition who has actually been a Leaver for most of his political life who improved his position by campaigning on almost entirely domestic matters; Brexit was barely mentioned.

 

You couldn't really make British politics up; no one would believe it.

 

L00b, yes I know that we don't get to choose what Leave we get; if indeed we actually get it. The way the papers talk you would think Theresa May gets a free choice of which kind of Brexit there will be, which seems to ignore the fact that there is another party to the talks, sitting across the table.

Edited June 9, 2017 by Harrystottle

[Bob Arctor]

A CONDUP coalition would likely result in turmoil in NI, the likes of which have not been seen for 20 years.

 

Because the DUP are between a rock and many hard places politically: the DUP is pro-Brexit, but the NI electorate voted Remain very clearly, and it has been universally agreed that Brexit would be very harmful to NI; moreover, with a 'full' Brexit there shall have to be a border between the UK and the Republic of Ireland, but the NI electorate would not countenance a hard border between NI and the mainland UK, which means the hard border between NI and the RoI.

 

If the DUP uses their position in a Coalition to push for a 'softer' Brexit (at least as far as NI is concerned), that means facilitating and maintaining links with the Republic; their voter base won't like that (and it wouldn't be their instinct). But if they don't, then they'll get blamed when, inevitably, NI suffers economically under Brexit.

 

Sum total: a CONDUP coalition would be a worse outcome than May trying to run a minority government.

 

Some kind of coalition of chaos (or other word beginning with C) you mean?

[Bob Arctor]

Aren't the DUP linked to Protestant paramilitaries?

 

This is on another level to Corbyn. May is actually in government with a party that has terrorist sympathisers.

 

What irony. Couldn't make this up.

 

Ulster Resistance, Ulster Volunteer Force, Ulster Defence Association. Just two years ago the Tories were telling us we mustn't vote Labour because we'd end up being governed from Scotland. Now they say it's fine to be governed from east Belfast, by terrorist colluders and sympathisers. They have no shame at all!

[melthebell]

Ulster Resistance, Ulster Volunteer Force, Ulster Defence Association. Just two years ago the Tories were telling us we mustn't vote Labour because we'd end up being governed from Scotland. Now they say it's fine to be governed from east Belfast, by terrorist colluders and sympathisers. They have no shame at all!

....as they grip onto power by the tiniest of margins

 

what this all shows, as well as the brexit vote, the country is divided, almost 50 / 50

[Andy1976]

My hopes that this would all be over by the 9th are clearly gone