JNewton69 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 what did Corbyn win ? If 326 seats is the winning post , he came second thus he won nothing Why do you dislike him so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sibon Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 With asking the DUP, and allegedly seeking to formalise the coalition currently, she has breached the principle of neutrality (by Westminster, about NI politics, to avoid favouring either side over the other) underscoring the GFA. Don't kid yourself that SinnFein and its harder elements, will just let this slide, if that coalition looks to be lasting. Yet another demonstration of how clueless and reckless she is (and/or her handlers are). This has to stop soon. That said, she might just have been left on political life support to take the hit of the first few weeks' worth of Brexit negotiation, and be made to fall on the Brexit bill sword. Even worse, if a power sharing deal isn't brokered, NI returns to direct rule from Westminster. A Westminster government that is controlled by the Tories and the DUP. That's an order of magnitude more trouble than a bit of undue influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I thought NI was already under direct rule , though I agree with you , this alliance will bring problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) You do know she won don't you?. 56 more MPs than labour and approaching 80000 more votes than labour. Half the stuff you mention is nothing to do with TM anyway. One will perhaps counter that if TM performed so badly and yet Corbyn still lost he should have his own 10 reasons of why you should resign. After all how could he possibly lose to that right? Yes it was a close call and no doubt she didn't get the results she hoped for - but she's still won. Coalitions has happened before and will happen again. Perhaps if the other parties were not acting like spoilt children who have spat their dummy out they would have been first choice for a coalition partner over the dup. Alas they chose their position that they didnt want to play with Teresa in the playground so now they're out of the friend group and will have to sit in the back of the class with no attention and no power. We are where we are and the prime minister has a job to do. Unless Corbyn is preparing for a ludicrous four way thing, a government needs to be formed. I am certainly no fan of the dup nor the most controversial of their policies. But despite what they hysterical twitterati and media moguls are spewing all over the Internet they are a recognised political party in Northern Ireland and is part of this Union. If people actually bothered to look beyond the headlines they will see that some of their policies actually more in the Socialist category than those Theresa May would usually go for. They are even publicly vocal for a soft brexit just like the seemingly new JC was during his campaigning. Compromise is always difficult but isn't that what government is supposed to be about. Enough time has been spent with the hysterics. There is work to be getting on with. More disruption with another leadership battle, new face to be paraded around and inevitable reshuffle is just going to cause more neglect and delay to the already very difficult brexit negotiations. you call it winning? Losing most of your majority Advisers needing to resign Needing to join up with a party like DUP yup you won, but was it worth it? seems to me worse off than before? On the other hand, despite being in a nightmare scenario previously Labour have made massive gains from last election Edited June 10, 2017 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNewton69 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 you call it winning? Losing your most of your majority Advisers needing to resign Needing to join up with a party like DUP yup you won, but was it worth it? seems to me worse off than before? On the other hand, despite being in a nightmare scenario previously Labour have made massive gains from last election Only one winner mel, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Only one winner mel, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party. On what planet is that even vaguely accurate? He started as leader of the opposition and still is. He's got more seats, and arguably more respect but he's won nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On what planet is that even vaguely accurate? He started as leader of the opposition and still is. He's got more seats, and arguably more respect but he's won nowt. I cannot believe you replied to the halfwit but well done . Facts cannot be argued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNewton69 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 On what planet is that even vaguely accurate? He started as leader of the opposition and still is. He's got more seats, and arguably more respect but he's won nowt. Earth........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 This one is going to be a bit odd though. What are your thoughts on the Democratic Unionst Party? The lesser of two evils. It was either The Tories and the DUP , or Corbin and The SNP Id take the DUP everyday before the SNP . ---------- Post added 10-06-2017 at 21:55 ---------- Only one winner mel, Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party. Strange, i dont see him and his socialist nutjobs in No10 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 (edited) With asking the DUP, and allegedly seeking to formalise the coalition currently, she has breached the principle of neutrality (by Westminster, about NI politics, to avoid favouring either side over the other) underscoring the GFA. Don't kid yourself that SinnFein and its harder elements, will just let this slide, if that coalition looks to be lasting. Yet another demonstration of how clueless and reckless she is (and/or her handlers are). This has to stop soon. That said, she might just have been left on political life support to take the hit of the first few weeks' worth of Brexit negotiation, and be made to fall on the Brexit bill sword. The dup are a recognised political party and the biggest majority as voted by the people to represent them in the Northern Ireland Assembly. Northern Ireland is part of the Union that is Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Theresa May is prime minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland therefore they have just as much right to be included in any political activities as any other party. I am not denying that it is not controversial and I'm not denying that there will be trouble. However as I have said earlier compromise is always difficult that will be something that has to be thought out in any negotiation. For all I despise they're ridiculous anti gay and abortion stances they have several policies including a soft brexit which i have no doubt if were on any other parties agenda would be well praised. The issues in Ireland are always going to be controversial but we cannot let periods of history constantly control what happens in modern times. The hysterics on Twitter and sensationalist Media certainly are not in a position to wildly speculate on what the dup may or may not put forward as their terms of agreement to form a Coalition nor does anyone have a right to bring up historical problems as if they are actually happening today as fact. The complex history of the troubles come from BOTH sides of the argument not just the DUP. If a coalition government could be reached with suitable terms there is no reason why SF could not look to compromise where appropriate to maintain peace as they have done many times before The way the reaction has been from certain people and certain newspapers they talk as if no two sides can ever in a million years possibly reach agreement on things What other option would you suggest? The other parties have made their position clear. They have simply turned their back on making any pact with the Tories. Someone is going to have to form a government and we the People have just democratically voted resulted in the most voters choosing Tory members working under their party leader Theresa May . If parties choose not to collaborate with her to form what someone deems to be majority government figure - what else is she going do other than go to one that will. Edited June 10, 2017 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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