Towering inferno in London

[Guest sibon]

raised the alarm quickly of course what else? the fire brigade were there in 6mins.the fire would have been contained in that flat as is the design of such buildings.

 

If the fire brigade were there in 6 mins, the alarm must have been raised quickly.

[melthebell]

sign to get the cladding removed from similar buildings

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-all-polyethylene-cladding-to-be-removed-from-uk-flats-immediately

[ECCOnoob]

Whilst I agree that rioting is not the answer and I share your dismay at the number of SW banners in the crowd, I think you are underestimating this event.

 

I've seen countless tragedies over the last half century, but I can't recall one which made me this angry. If I wasn't 200 miles north, I'd be protesting too. This is an abomination, and people must be held to account.

 

Plenty of the people in the protests will live in similar tower bocks, with similar fire risks. They have a right to be worried and a right to be angry. They have a right to protest. You have no right to tell them that they should not.

 

It isn't good enough to try to de-politicise this event. A massive failure in social housing, a catastrophe like this is, by definition political. Theresa May's refusal to meet the victims and listen to them was the spark that has lit this particular protest tinderbox, she needs to go, for the good of us all. Then we need clear sympathetic leadership to make the best of this awful mess.

 

Politicians need to wake up to the fact that the world has changed. From Brexit, through Trump, via all the European elections and onto our own election last week, there is a clear message. The neglected are sick of being ignored. They now have a vehicle to organise and to express their anger. Social media means that the balance of power has shifted. Rather than criticising and telling them to pipe down and let the Public Inquiry bury things for three years, they need listening to. Now.

 

What exactly would you be protesting against? You know absolutely nothing about the cause of the fire, how it spread so quickly, whether any of the safety was against regulations, whether there be a civil or criminal negligence, and if so who was responsible.

 

Until any of that is answered, as you say you live 200 miles away - it is nothing to do with you. You have no proof whatsoever at this stage that it is a catastrophic failure in social housing as you so seem to claim. You are simply making wild speculation which is my whole point.

 

As for the rest of your waffle I'm not even gonna waste my time. You have proved my point perfectly. Anti Teresa May ranting and a load of attempts at political point scoring using a tragic incident.

Edited June 16, 2017 by ECCOnoob

[I1L2T3]

Can't people just wait and let the professional investigators and fire services get on with their jobs along with the already started criminal Investigations by the police before they start with the wild speculation, rioting and trying to overthrow the government.

 

It's only been a couple of days since this horrendous incident has taken place. The building is still smoldering and there are areas within it that are still to be accessed.

 

Despite that, the sickening behaviour and political point scoring from certain groups of people has started all trying to win favour of their own parties stirring up hatred and creating a clear class divide.

 

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

Its just like this so called protest that is taking place this afternoon. Whilst I have complete sympathy for the residents who are worrying for missing loved ones and angry about what has happened - I am absolutely sickened by the amount of left wing organisations clearly jumping on the bandwagon as can be evidenced by the amount of socialist worker and other rent and mob organisations waving their banners around.

 

How dare they use a tragedy where people have lost lives to try and point score for their political allegiance. What the hell has this incident and the victims of it got to do with them. This is not as simple as a good excuse for a good Tory bashing. When the official reason for the Blaze has been discovered it could affect tower blocks and even other buildings all over the country belonging to, built by or controlled by ANY political side.

 

It's been two days. People have come together to provide support and donations with mobilisation which has been unbelievable. Politicians from all sides have visited site and the PM has immediately ordered a full public inquiry together with the existing fire services investigations and the police have started their criminal one. The government has pledged action will be taken and allocated their initial funding. The audits of any other potentially hazardous buildings has happened today and the local authority are already starting their work attempting to undertake the vast challenge of rehoming these people.

 

What more do people expect to happen in 48 hours. Being angry is one thing charging a town hall with absolutely no beneficial purpose is a totally different thing.

 

The focus should be getting these victims rehomed and getting on with the remaining searches for those who tragically lost their lives. It should NOT be creating a inner city riot and stirring the pot and using such a tragic incident as an excuse to try to overthrow the majority elected leader of the majority electric political party.

 

I tend to agree, but you also have to understand why people are angry. They are allowed to be angry.

 

The politics is going to come more and more into it as more information becomes available and the death toll rises.

[Guest sibon]

What exactly would you protesting against? You know absolutely nothing about the cause of the fire, how it spread so quickly, whether any of the safety was against regulations, whether there be a civil or criminal negligence, and if so who was responsible.

 

Until any of that is answered, as ou say you live 200 miles away - it is nothing to do with you. You have no proof whatsoever at this stage that it is a catastrophic failure in social housing as you so seem to claim. You are simply making wild speculation which is my whole point.

 

As for the rest of your waffle I'm not even gonna waste my time. You have proved my point perfectly. Anti Teresa May ranting and a load of attempts at political point scoring using a tragic incident.

 

 

There is a tower block reduced to cinders. Maybe over 50 people dead. Many more homeless and traumatised.

 

I'd say that was a catastrophic failure of social housing. I'd also say that it is a crime. If not, then the law is truly an ass.

[*_ash_*]

Can't people just wait and let the professional investigators and fire services get on with their jobs along with the already started criminal Investigations by the police before they start with the wild speculation, rioting and trying to overthrow the government.

 

It's only been a couple of days since this horrendous incident has taken place. The building is still smoldering and there are areas within it that are still to be accessed.

 

Despite that, the sickening behaviour and political point scoring from certain groups of people has started all trying to win favour of their own parties stirring up hatred and creating a clear class divide.

 

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

Its just like this so called protest that is taking place this afternoon. Whilst I have complete sympathy for the residents who are worrying for missing loved ones and angry about what has happened - I am absolutely sickened by the amount of left wing organisations clearly jumping on the bandwagon as can be evidenced by the amount of socialist worker and other rent and mob organisations waving their banners around.

 

How dare they use a tragedy where people have lost lives to try and point score for their political allegiance. What the hell has this incident and the victims of it got to do with them. This is not as simple as a good excuse for a good Tory bashing. When the official reason for the Blaze has been discovered it could affect tower blocks and even other buildings all over the country belonging to, built by or controlled by ANY political side.

 

It's been two days. People have come together to provide support and donations with mobilisation which has been unbelievable. Politicians from all sides have visited site and the PM has immediately ordered a full public inquiry together with the existing fire services investigations and the police have started their criminal one. The government has pledged action will be taken and allocated their initial funding. The audits of any other potentially hazardous buildings has happened today and the local authority are already starting their work attempting to undertake the vast challenge of rehoming these people.

 

What more do people expect to happen in 48 hours. Being angry is one thing charging a town hall with absolutely no beneficial purpose is a totally different thing.

 

The focus should be getting these victims rehomed and getting on with the remaining searches for those who tragically lost their lives. It should NOT be creating a inner city riot and stirring the pot and using such a tragic incident as an excuse to try to overthrow the majority elected leader of the majority electric political party.

 

Yes, good post.

 

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People demanding answers after 1 hour, 1 day, or 2 days is modern society though.

[hackey lad]

There is a tower block reduced to cinders. Maybe over 50 people dead. Many more homeless and traumatised.

 

I'd say that was a catastrophic failure of social housing. I'd also say that it is a crime. If not, then the law is truly an ass.

 

it probably is a crime but wanting answers now after less than 48 hours is ridiculous

 

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These protests could very easily spiral out of control.

Think it could be a very tense weekend down London.

Peoples anger needs to be channelled in a more orderly fashion I'm afraid. Storming buildings is not the way to behave.

These types of 'investigations' take years.

Maybe Corbyn needs to step in and try calming the situation down.

We had Lily Allen on TV yesterday 'demanding' to know how many people had died !

I know people will be angry, but there will be no official answers to this tragedy for a long, long time.

As soon as lily Allen gets involved any debate will go downhill

[ECCOnoob]

There is a tower block reduced to cinders. Maybe over 50 people dead. Many more homeless and traumatised.

 

I'd say that was a catastrophic failure of social housing. I'd also say that it is a crime. If not, then the law is truly an ass.

 

It may well be a crime but I suppose that is what the criminal police investigation is for isn't it.

 

As for your repeated insistence that this is some catastrophic failure of the social housing system are you trying to actually say that this could never possibly happen in a private dwelling or an exclusive private luxury apartment block or a private office building perhaps or even a private shopping centre?

 

I am not going to say this again because it's coming tedious - you don't know anything about the fire at this stage.

 

It is a tragic incident and there could be a major overhaul on ALL buildings as a result of it irrelevant of how expensive they are or who owns them. Can we just stop with the Anti government hysterics trying to claim that this is some mass failure of the entire Council housing regime.

[Guest sibon]

it probably is a crime but wanting answers now after less than 48 hours is ridiculous

 

I didn't mention the possibility of giving answers immediately. I do think that intervention could be much more robust and much quicker.

 

I don't trust Public Inquiries either, they can take years and get derailed by Government ministers. I'm pleased that the police have begun a criminal inquiry.

 

What the people affected need first is swift rehousing and lots of support. There doesn't seem to be much idea how that is going to happen yet. They also need listening to, rather than telling. If that had happened before, we wouldn't be where we are now.

[melthebell]

These protests could very easily spiral out of control.

yup, the masses are now getting angry, what with austerity and cuts for years, the various cover ups etc

Wages being frozen while everything carries on rising.

 

now this

 

Politicians and the rich are finally going to feel some heat. people have been apathetic for 25 / 30 years or so