I1L2T3 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 There's nothing to resolve. Near enough as matters, From the Prime Minister, "Today, therefore, I am writing to give effect to the democratic decision of the people of the United Kingdom. I hereby notify the European Council inaccordance with Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Union. In addition, in accordance with the same Article 50(2) as applied by Article 106a of the Treaty Establishing the European Atomic Energy Community, I hereby notify the European Council of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community. References in this letter to the European Union should therefore be taken to include a reference to the European Atomic Energy Community." So it’s not resolved then. Nothing is in place to deal with us leaving Euratom. We have an intent, but a big mess where the solution should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I hereby notify the European Council of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community. Was there a reason to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community? It is legally distinct from the European Union (EU), but has the same membership, and is governed by many of the EU's institutions but is the only remaining community organization that is independent from the European Union and therefore outside the regulatory control of the European Parliament. Since 2014, Switzerland has also participated in Euratom programmes as an associated state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Was there a reason to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community? It is legally distinct from the European Union (EU), but has the same membership, and is governed by many of the EU's institutions but is the only remaining community organization that is independent from the European Union and therefore outside the regulatory control of the European Parliament. Since 2014, Switzerland has also participated in Euratom programmes as an associated state. There will be a reason. Maybe we should look at meddling from other interested parties to understand it. Let’s face it, Brexiter politicians can’t be trusted. They’re either in hock to trans-Atlantic interests, in hock to Legatum, or being manipulated by the Russians, or doing the bidding of the Indians or Chinese or anybody who will pay for their trips and promise kickbacks in the future. And I don’t just mean the Tories there. I mean some on the right of the Labour party too. The same goes for horribly misguided left wingers who believe that Brexit will guide us to some kind of socialist state. They’ve got everything except the best interests of the U.K. at heart. That gets clearer by the day. Both sides. Tories and Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Was there a reason to withdraw from the European Atomic Energy Community? It is legally distinct from the European Union (EU), but has the same membership, and is governed by many of the EU's institutions but is the only remaining community organization that is independent from the European Union and therefore outside the regulatory control of the European Parliament. Since 2014, Switzerland has also participated in Euratom programmes as an associated state. Free movement as I can make out. ---------- Post added 03-06-2018 at 12:17 ---------- There’s nothing in that article that explains how doing that would be in any way practical. You can’t just sail a ship full of plutonium into the sovereign waters of another country without permission. Anybody who things you can is an idiot. If we tried it we’d become international pariahs. It is not a sensible threat. The biggest threat we have is not sending the stuff back, but not accepting any more. You can if it is written in the contract of acceptance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 I agree with your sentiments. The UK's approach should be a take it or leave it offer to the EU for continued free trade on all goods and services. This is a generous offer given the fact the EU exports more goods and services to the UK than the UK exports to the EU. It's irrelevant to the democratic process whether the UK's economy is worse or better off after leaving the EU. If we import more goods from a certain country then it’s because we can’t make,grow or mine them. So one assumes that imports are necessary or desirable for the U.K. population. As for the UK’s economy being irrelevant in the democratic process!! It might have been ignored or overlooked by many as they were seduced by the anti immigration propaganda but it most certainly is not irrelevant to future generations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Free movement as I can make out. ---------- Post added 03-06-2018 at 12:17 ---------- You can if it is written in the contract of acceptance. Nice try. But it’s still not a credible threat is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 If we import more goods from a certain country then it’s because we can’t make,grow or mine them. So one assumes that imports are necessary or desirable for the U.K. population. As for the UK’s economy being irrelevant in the democratic process!! It might have been ignored or overlooked by many as they were seduced by the anti immigration propaganda but it most certainly is not irrelevant to future generations. Immigration and trade is linked, if another country has cheaper labour and costs then we may import what they are selling; so although we have a minimum wage, the Government want to keep our labour costs low. With UK higher labour costs, we will import more, and I believe our ballance of trade is in the negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Revealed: plans for Doomsday Brexit https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-plans-for-doomsday-no-deal-brexit-02mld2jg2 Yawn. A load of might, maybe, could, may and what ifs. A few worst case scenarios jotted down on a fag packet nicely packaged up, dramatised and splashed all over the font page to sell more copies. Remember in the 70s when nuclear armageddon was going to happen and we were all going to die except for a handful of civil servants in a underground bunker. For those unfortunate survivors there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember the 80s when the industrial strikes were sure to grind Britain to a halt and everything involved with goverment was absolutely positively going to fall apart leading to chaos with not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember the 90s when the age of the microchip was going to turn and kill us all due to the millenium bug. Planes were going to fall out of the sky, hospitals were going to stop functioning, all modern infrastructure and supply was going to collapse and there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember in the 00s when the middle east all kicked off again. Oil was going to stop flowing, our infrastructure was not going to be able to cope, supplies were going to run out, operations would cease to happen and there would be not enough food, no power, riots on the streets...... It really is astounding that in a world based on Fleet Street horse crap anyone is still alive. Edited June 3, 2018 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 so tell me again why theyve been having a sectarian war for 50 years? They haven't, but that's probably a subject for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Yawn. A load of might, maybe, could, may and what ifs. A few worst case scenarios jotted down on a fag packet nicely packaged up, dramatised and splashed all over the font page to sell more copies. Remember in the 70s when nuclear armageddon was going to happen and we were all going to die except for a handful of civil servants in a underground bunker. For those unfortunate survivors there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember the 80s when the industrial strikes were sure to grind Britain to a halt and everything involved with goverment was absolutely positively going to fall apart leading to chaos with not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember the 90s when the age of the microchip was going to turn and kill us all due to the millenium bug. Planes were going to fall out of the sky, hospitals were going to stop functioning, all modern infrastructure and supply was going to collapse and there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... Remember in the 00s when the middle east all kicked off again. Oil was going to stop flowing, our infrastructure was not going to be able to cope, supplies were going to run out, operations would cease to happen and there would be not enough food, no power, riots on the streets...... It really is astounding that in a world based on Fleet Street horse crap anyone is still alive. The scenarios have been modelled by civil servants. But they’re bad Brexit eggs arent they..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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