I1L2T3 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Only two reasons for food rotting in the fields, nobody wants it or the wages are rubbish. You remember all the discussions on here about how we could force lazy Brits and/or our army of unemployed to harvest the crops...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Only two reasons for food rotting in the fields, nobody wants it or the wages are rubbish. or there is no one available to do the work no grower would grow a crop for which there is no market. wages for this sort of work are generally quite low, an increase in wages might encourage more to take such a job. but that will increase the price of the produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 There is no reason for the EU to have a military arm unless it intends to use it, and to use it it is going to have to find things for it to do that aren't being done at the moment. Soon it can start it's own wars, or maybe ajust indulge in spot of "independent peacekeeping" in Catalonia, the Basque region, perhaps the Greek islands, or, just wait for it, in Northern Ireland. The world could do with one fewer army, not one more. If we look at the EU and how it operates, do we really think that it is the type of organisation that should be allowed to extend itself militarily. I don't think so and I would be worried the sanity of anyone who thinks that there is a genuine argument for the EU to have a military force. Large military forces in Europe have never, ever EVER had a good ending for ordinary people. It could actually turn out to be a smaller force if duplication of capabilities is removed. Ever thought of that. What if EU countries could defend themselves with a much smaller spend overall? ---------- Post added 12-11-2017 at 15:16 ---------- or there is no one available to do the work no grower would grow a crop for which there is no market. wages for this sort of work are generally quite low, an increase in wages might encourage more to take such a job. but that will increase the price of the produce. It’s ok. Fox and friends have thought about this. We’ll be flooded with cheap low quality food from around the world, and British farmers can compete or go bust. That is their ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) It could actually turn out to be a smaller force if duplication of capabilities is removed. Ever thought of that. What if EU countries could defend themselves with a much smaller spend overall? Defend themselves from what, and when did the EU ever do anything smaller and cheaper, EVER? The EU is an expansionist federation. We have seen those before in Europe, and every time it's never going to happen again, right up until the next time. I hope that you aren't tub-thumping for more military force in the world, especially one where Germany has its hands on France's nuclear weapons capability. Military forces are for one thing only and I don't see any evidence that the EU has shown itself trustworthy enough to have one. People supporting this madness are either not thinking straight or they haven't spent enough time looking at what is actually going on. This whole EU Brexit saga has flushed out so many people with Stockholm Syndrome towards the EU. ---------- Post added 12-11-2017 at 15:31 ---------- It’s ok. Fox and friends have thought about this. We’ll be flooded with cheap low quality food from around the world, and British farmers can compete or go bust. You can't have it both ways. Either UK farmers going out of business because of high WTO food tariffs, or are they going out of business because of importers flooding the market with cheap food even though they have exactly the same WTO tariffs applied. The truth is that neither will happen. It's just scaremongering. Edited November 12, 2017 by ENG601PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Defend themselves from what, and when did the EU ever do anything smaller and cheaper, EVER? The EU is an expansionist federation. We have seen those before in Europe, and every time it's never going to happen again, right up until the next time. I hope that you aren't tub-thumping for more military force in the world, especially one where Germany has its hands on France's nuclear weapons capability. Military forces are for one thing only and I don't see any evidence that the EU has shown itself trustworthy enough to have one. People supporting this madness are either not thinking straight or they haven't spent enough time looking at what is actually going on. This whole EU Brexit saga has flushed out so many people with Stockholm Syndrome towards the EU. People in the UK need to stop meddling in EU affairs,they will do what they feel as neccessary for the EU,Brexit means you have no say in anything EU related.Taking back powers to make your own decisions works both ways,there is no cake and eat it.........butt out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Defend themselves from what, and when did the EU ever do anything smaller and cheaper, EVER? You remember Trump moaning about the 3% rule? Most EU nations are already collaborating and gaining efficiencies of scale, the UK is collaborating with France, it might have slipped your notice, but it is. EU border control forces are a hell of a lot more efficient now than they ever were, particularly within Schengen. The vast reduction in overhead involved with running your own currency has been negated by the Eurozone. The central market standardisation means that the same job doesn't have to be repeated in 28 (soon 27) different countries. Due to shared rules and regulations we now don't need specialist im/export officers in all countries part of that single market. Interpol and Europol have vastly improved policing across borders within the EU-zone. I can carry on for a while, but I am sure you wouldn't want me to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 No not sidestepping just asking for proof to back up your claim that it was promised that Brexit would be a success and so far you have not delivered. Promises may have been made but not the above and just like in an election manifesto they dont have to be delivered and can be changed. And look.... you did it again LOL Your entire premise is one huge sidestep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 or there is no one available to do the work no grower would grow a crop for which there is no market. wages for this sort of work are generally quite low, an increase in wages might encourage more to take such a job. but that will increase the price of the produce. Some do usually rejected by supermarket chains. As I said wages are rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Defend themselves from what, and when did the EU ever do anything smaller and cheaper, EVER? The EU is an expansionist federation. We have seen those before in Europe, and every time it's never going to happen again, right up until the next time. I hope that you aren't tub-thumping for more military force in the world, especially one where Germany has its hands on France's nuclear weapons capability. Military forces are for one thing only and I don't see any evidence that the EU has shown itself trustworthy enough to have one. People supporting this madness are either not thinking straight or they haven't spent enough time looking at what is actually going on. This whole EU Brexit saga has flushed out so many people with Stockholm Syndrome towards the EU. ---------- Post added 12-11-2017 at 15:31 ---------- You can't have it both ways. Either UK farmers going out of business because of high WTO food tariffs, or are they going out of business because of importers flooding the market with cheap food even though they have exactly the same WTO tariffs applied. The truth is that neither will happen. It's just scaremongering. At the point we have got to the best thing for British farmers, and in fact for all of us, is to have a soft Brexit with an extended transition. Stop this uncertainty and give businesses of all types a stable environment to play this out in. As for you big bad bogeyman EU expansionist claptrap. Just dog whistles, with a bit of window dressing. More polishing of the turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 At the point we have got to the best thing for British farmers, and in fact for all of us, is to have a soft Brexit with an extended transition. Stop this uncertainty and give businesses of all types a stable environment to play this out in. As for you big bad bogeyman EU expansionist claptrap. Just dog whistles, with a bit of window dressing. More polishing of the turd. As I'd expected, you have literally nothing but your deeply held opinion to go on, and your opinion is as useful as reading the tea leaves. You could have continued to engage in the point about the military but instead fall back on the bleeding obvious (© Monty Python) about a known environment for business. Either you accept that the EU is what it is, for good and bad, or you remain enthralled to the captor. Stockholm Syndrome is thy name. You know I am right about the EU military, it's ok to agree that it's a very bad thing. Putting that useless contribution aside, here's an NFU report for actual farmers. It's not as gloomy as you need it to be. https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/latest-modelling-shows-impacts-of-different-brexit-deals42974/ Finally, Brexit is happening and that's that. The UK needs to get with the plan fast and if that means telling the EU it's going to be WTO for their businesses as well as ours then so be it - there's the known environment that business needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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