The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Car Boot]

There is not food rotting in the fields otherwise the media would have a field day by posting photos or videos of it, and they cant its that simple.

 

Unpicked food spoiling in a British agriculture field because of Brexit is a propaganda picture worthy of the masters of misinformation, the Nazis.

 

So where are the pics all over the front pages of the newspapers?

[apelike]

You can read it here:

 

https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/media/29103954/economic-and-social-impacts-of-eea-area-workers-on-cornwall-and-the-isle.pdf

 

Section 10

 

Its a good read, especially 10.6.

 

Out of 11,800 staff employed in agriculture in Cornwall etc, only 11% or 1298 are casual workers who it is assumed are from EU Accession states.

 

Good god, I didnt know it was so many..

[L00b]

Of course they can. They will too. We're competing with china and India now remember. How many holidays are you entitled to over there?

It's not as if they are being coy about it, either...and they look like they're going to get their wish after all: Barnier has started telegraphing to the EU27 to get ready for 'no deal' in the clear this weekend. Meaning, clearly there aren't going to be any trade talks starting this December. Edited November 13, 2017 by L00b

[tinfoilhat]

It's not as if they are being coy about it, either...and they look like they're going to get their wish after all: Barnier has started telegraphing to the EU27 to get ready for 'no deal' in the clear this weekend. Meaning, clearly there aren't going to be any trade talks starting this December.

 

Billionaire Dyson wants a no deal? Say it ain't so;)

 

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There is no reason for the EU to have a military arm unless it intends to use it, and to use it it is going to have to find things for it to do that aren't being done at the moment. Soon it can start it's own wars, or maybe ajust indulge in spot of "independent peacekeeping" in Catalonia, the Basque region, perhaps the Greek islands, or, just wait for it, in Northern Ireland.

 

The world could do with one fewer army, not one more. If we look at the EU and how it operates, do we really think that it is the type of organisation that should be allowed to extend itself militarily. I don't think so and I would be worried the sanity of anyone who thinks that there is a genuine argument for the EU to have a military force.

 

Large military forces in Europe have never, ever EVER had a good ending for ordinary people.

 

Cloud cuckoo land. Any EU army (if it ever happens) would be far less likely to embark in any regime change and certainly won't be sticking its oar in in any member states affairs. Besides, we could have vetoed it if we'd stayed in!

[ENG601PM]

Get with the plan people. Cornwall Council receives extraordinarily large amounts of annual EU funding which the UK government hasn't yet confirmed it will fully underwrite. Cornwall Council workers have £60m of pro-EU posturing to do before they openly accept that the majority in Cornwall voted to leave.

 

 

Cloud cuckoo land. Any EU army (if it ever happens) would be far less likely to embark in any regime change and certainly won't be sticking its oar in in any member states affairs. Besides, we could have vetoed it if we'd stayed in!

 

Then you are left with a military force with no purpose except the aggrandisement of the EU. You've not presented a very good argument for an EU military force, it's easier to agree that it's just a bad idea.

 

On whether the EU uses power to enforce regime change, please read Adults In The Room by Yanis Varoufakis.

 

Ever heard the phrase "Never again"? It was very popular 1918-1939. To imagine that the EU has cracked peace in our time is hubris. No more wars starts with no more armies.

[I1L2T3]

Get with the plan people. Cornwall Council receives extraordinarily large amounts of annual EU funding which the UK government hasn't yet confirmed it will fully underwrite. Cornwall Council workers have £60m of pro-EU posturing to do before they openly accept that the majority in Cornwall voted to leave.

 

Then you are left with a military force with no purpose except the aggrandisement of the EU. You've not presented a very good argument for an EU military force, it's easier to agree that it's just a bad idea.

 

On whether the EU uses power to enforce regime change, please read Adults In The Room by Yanis Varoufakis.

 

Ever heard the phrase "Never again"? It was very popular 1918-1939. To imagine that the EU has cracked peace in our time is hubris. No more wars starts with no more armies.

 

And what is the UK governments plan for Cornwall post-Brexit. There isn’t one is there? So it’s the duty of the council there to prepare for a dramatic shift in the local economy.

 

It may be that a majority voted to leave but did they fully understand the implications of doing so. Given the issues the report highlights it seems not, and the Cornwall situation is repeated in every deprived area in the country.

[chalga]

Billionaire Dyson wants a no deal? Say it ain't so;)

 

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Cloud cuckoo land. Any EU army (if it ever happens) would be far less likely to embark in any regime change and certainly won't be sticking its oar in in any member states affairs. Besides, we could have vetoed it if we'd stayed in!

 

Very good points,the memory of Blair/Bush/Iraq is still strong,Blair was the chief EU drum banger for war in Iraq,coercing most of the rest of the EU into an illegal war against their better judgement.The effects of that are still being felt on the European mainland in the shape of ISIS attacks.

With an independent UK led by the Johnson/Gove axis aligning itself with Trumps America and the rest of his nutters a real prospect down the line,who knows what horrors these can visit on the rest of the world,including affecting the EU,an EU army would therefore be logical to protect ourselves from the fall out of adventures by the UK/USA.

[retep]

Unpicked food spoiling in a British agriculture field because of Brexit is a propaganda picture worthy of the masters of misinformation, the Nazis.

 

So where are the pics all over the front pages of the newspapers?

 

It does make you wonder, 2.37 million EU workers in the UK between April and June, 126,000 up on last years figures, and not enough to pick fruit and veg.

[I1L2T3]

It does make you wonder, 2.37 million EU workers in the UK between April and June, 126,000 up on last years figures, and not enough to pick fruit and veg.

 

So where do the workers to harvest the crops come from?

 

Have a think.

 

Crops unharvested:

http://www.fruitnet.com/fpj/article/173684/growers-asked-to-write-to-mps-on-labour-crisis

Edited November 13, 2017 by I1L2T3

[L00b]

It does make you wonder, 2.37 million EU workers in the UK between April and June, 126,000 up on last years figures, and not enough to pick fruit and veg.

It can't have been the 'right' 126k ones that came over: more Polish, Bulgarian and Romanian fruit pickers chose to work in France this year.

 

The fact that the 15% to 20% drop in value of the £, hand-in-hand with the rising UK cost of living, made UK work uncompetitive (relative to € wages for the same work on the Continent) at the temp job/seasonal end of the UK job market this year, is very well-documented.

 

Just another predictable -and predicted- consequence of the referendum vote, and nothing untoward 'against' the UK in that, but just standard market forces/capitalistic competition at work, which transcend all sectors (agri, catering, medical, warehouse, <etc.>): the value differential goes a long way to explain both the growing reticence of EU workers to come work here, and the ongoing returns of EU workers back to the EU, far more so than any other, less objective factors.

 

If the UK hadn't tanked the £, you'd have had the same or more numbers of fruit & veg pickers as last year, no rotting crops, and less inflationary pressure on domestic agri products. Everything is connected logically like this: no crystal ball was harmed in writing this post (), anyone who understands the basics of a market economy and the elementary principle of communicating vessels (including its relevance to the price of imported agri products in the context of a devalued home currency, besides the earnings differential issue mentioned above, and other equilibrium factors) should see the above exactly for what it is. Causes and their logical consequences.

 

I don't see why any Brexiter would have any problem with that state of affairs, either. After all it's making reduced EU immigration at the no- to medium-skilled end of the jobs market a reality, and surely a few thousand tons' worth of rotting crops and slightly more expensive agri products, a few more months' worth of waiting time for an NHS op, <etc.> are all small prices to pay for 'regained control'?

Edited November 13, 2017 by L00b