tzijlstra Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 On the rather tired topic of privatisation - the EU does not like state monopolies (whereby the EU single market is considered the state). That bit in brackets is highly relevant to the RM situation. What the EU wanted was that other postal operations in the EU could provide service to all of the single market. RM and the UK agreed and opened the market to others. They also agreed that as part of the remit to deliver post in far flung places (don't forget that the UK isn't the only EU nation with far flung places) entitled RM to a form of state aid (that it is still entitled to). The EU also wanted to ensure control of the companies was not directly with the state. In other words, it wanted part (PART) of these companies to be listed on the stock-market to provide a diverse ownership. No where ever did the EU say to the UK: Sell the Royal Mail shares. It most certainly didn't tell the UK to create the twelveheaded (or however many) monster that is the rail system in this country. Nor did it tell the UK to sell of local bus companies. In case you want any evidence of this - who owns the NHS? If the EU wanted to force privatisation, surely it would have targeted the NHS? Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Controlled pro and anti accounts fighting each other. Anti accounts posting outrageous messages that harden opinion on the pro side, and vice versa. It’s a standard technique - to maximise the impact accounts on both sides of the debate can be controlled. Standard technique when using a new social media format that's only been around less that 10 years and is nowhere near as widely used as facebook? Another problem is the demographic of Twitter users. Some things dont seem right with all this alleged Russian interference. Why not use facebook with almost twice the users? Some info on social media usage stats. http://www.rosemcgrory.co.uk/2017/01/03/uk-social-media-statistics-for-2017/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Standard technique when using a new social media format that's only been around less that 10 years and is nowhere near as widely used as facebook? Another problem is the demographic of Twitter users. Some things dont seem right with all this alleged Russian interference. Why not use facebook with almost twice the users? Some info on social media usage stats. http://www.rosemcgrory.co.uk/2017/01/03/uk-social-media-statistics-for-2017/ A lot more difficult to uncover malpractice in FB - though very possible it was ‘botted’ as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 If the EU wanted to force privatisation, surely it would have targeted the NHS? Bad example I think. The NHS is not a money making enterprise, its not listed on the stock market and as such has no direct market competitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Standard technique when using a new social media format that's only been around less that 10 years and is nowhere near as widely used as facebook? Another problem is the demographic of Twitter users. Some things dont seem right with all this alleged Russian interference. Why not use facebook with almost twice the users? Some info on social media usage stats. http://www.rosemcgrory.co.uk/2017/01/03/uk-social-media-statistics-for-2017/ The thing you are missing is that the demographic includes practically every journalist, and that tweets and posts from controlled accounts have become the basis of stories in the national media. A prime example is the story around the Muslim lady ignoring injured and dying people on Westminster Bridge. That originated out of a Russian-controlled account and reached many millions more people than it could have on twitter because it was amplified by right wing journalists into national news stories Don’t assume that these controlled accounts are necessarily trying to reach everyday people, sometimes they are putting out content that is dog whistles for journalists, political activists and politicians. Note also that the controlled accounts are not just run from Russia, but by activists and dark money in the UK too. Try not to be so naive. They are steps ahead of you in their thinking, and now exactly how to push your buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Bad example I think. The NHS is not a money making enterprise, its not listed on the stock market and as such has no direct market competitor. It is in most other countries, the NHS is unique in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 A really rather good one for Car Boot, here: Davis has proposed to exempt bankers from the UK's "regained" immigration control... ...but no mention of anything about Grimsby's fish traders. You can take from that, who matters most the Brexiters: unless you're a financer, it ain't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Expanding the theme this is a pristine example of how many people were too ill-informed to understand what they were voting for. https://www.channel4.com/news/leave-voting-grimsby-accused-of-double-standards Brexit should be paused before irrecoverable damage is done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 A really rather good one for Car Boot, here: Davis has proposed to exempt bankers from the UK's "regained" immigration control... ...but no mention of anything about Grimsby's fish traders. You can take from that, who matters most the Brexiters: unless you're a financer, it ain't you The government have also defeated Labour amendments to the brexit bill that would have protected employment rights. It's a hard Tory brexit that Car Boot is supporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) The government have also defeated Labour amendments to the brexit bill that would have protected employment rights. It's a hard Tory brexit that Car Boot is supporting.He might be playing the long game, hoping that Corbyn and McDonnell will succeed the Tories before long The alternative to 'no deal' increasingly looks to be CETA now. Not that it surprises anyone who understands how the EU and the Single Market works. Either way, UK worker would definitely be on the lossy side of the Brexit P&L. For a good proportion of them, turkeys, Xmas and all that. And for a good proportion of the pensioners who voted Leave, so what. <awaits the next knee-jerk SHOUTY-SHOUT anti-EU harangue from Car Boot> Edited November 16, 2017 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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