L00b Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) Yes. The 'Brexodus' is in full flow! EU nationals are fleeing the UK at an alarming rate - according to the Remoaners doomsday cult. Yet official figures from the Office for National Statistics show EU citizens coming and working here in record numbers! After the leave vote! Like all the other failed predictions of disaster invented by this kooky new religion, Brexodus is a fiction. Yawn. Sources across the entire spectrum of the Brexit debate have been reporting its factuality, from the pro-remain end to the pro-Leave end, including in-between, and all based on ONS and professional survey data. It's not as if the logic underpinning my personal decision (and that of those mentioned in each of the above links) is an isolated case or a new phenomenon at all, either. It's simple self-interested socio-economic logic. But by all means, believe what you will: I don't have to convince you; I just like to post evidence that what you continually spout on here, is complete guff I cant wait to get <removed>.Been a long time, has it? I honestly believe that the majority of those that voted leave are willing to accept the consequences, and that any division is being created by the remainers. After all it them that are the ones complaining. So, lets have a full on Brexit, just leave and stop this messing about with the EU. Agreed. The sooner, the better. What about the ones that did not vote, around 35% of the population? 89% of people 18 or older were registered to vote in the May 2015 referendum, and 28% of those registered did not vote. They're part of the 'acceptable consequences' which apelike mentioned above (...in case you hadn't grasped that). Happy brexited life to you all Edited November 17, 2017 by nikki-red masked swearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexo Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 just leave What exactly does that entail, in detail please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bloke Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 What about the ones that did not vote, around 35% of the population? 89% of people 18 or older were registered to vote in the May 2015 referendum, and 28% of those registered did not vote. What about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 What exactly does that entail, in detail please?Well, if I may interject, my understanding of- "So, lets have a full on Brexit, just leave and stop this messing about with the EU". translates as- "stop negotiating, no deal, no transition, nada: out means out" (ND: by end March 2019 automatically, but sooner if possible). In which case, no details required whatsoever. Am I right or am I right, apelike? (to be sure: I don't mind being either right or wrong here; as posted above, fill your boots with a hard exit ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 They simply cannot, because the yardstick is "the UK pre-Brexit, as an EU member state", and no amount of 'success' (even, say, "soft" Brexit) is going to keep things as they are What makes you think we want to keep things as they are? A majority voted Leave because our membership of the EU has only been to the benefit of the wealthy elite. What's so good about the way things are for millions of disadvantaged Leave voters? To them the EU has brought poverty and corruption, massively increased competition at the bottom of society for jobs, housing, education, healthcare etc. And a significant reduction in democratic accountability. The last thing I want is for things to stay the way they are. I want change - as do millions of Leave voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) What makes you think we want to keep things as they are? I certainly don't think that what you (or Leavers generally) want, is to keep things as they are. So perhaps you can explain to me how you came to interpret what I wrote, and which you quoted, as that? Because given the correct context of the earlier post to which I was replying with the above, that is what I think you (and Leavers generally) cannot deliver for a number of years post-Brexit, i.e. keeping the current level of collective prosperity (all imbalanced that it is, in many respects). I look forward to see if you're going to change it for the better in (many) years to come, and more power to you. But you ain't escaping the socio-economic hardships of readjustment in the more immediate future. Regardless of whether those come about through the arch-neoliberalism pushing the hard Brexiters, or the alternative of statism to be pushed by Corbyn eventually getting into No.10. Edited November 17, 2017 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 There is tremendous hardship coming for the first few years post-Brexit There is tremendous hardship in the UK now. 44 years of EU membership hasn't eradicated poverty and suffering. The EU, of course, never intended to even attempt to do this. The EU only cares about the (single) market with its cherished four freedoms: the free movement of capital, goods, services and workers. People NOT markets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 There is tremendous hardship in the UK now. Largely down to the Tory austerity policies, not the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) There is tremendous hardship in the UK now.I'm very mindful of that and have acknowledged it: Because given the correct context of the earlier post to which I was replying with the above, that is what I think you (and Leavers generally) cannot deliver for a number of years post-Brexit, i.e. keeping the current level of collective prosperity (all imbalanced that it is, in many respects).As posted by Longcol in the interim, it has precious little to do with the EU: it's down to ill-thought out policy choices made by No.10 and blessed by the Commons prior to the GFC, and deliberate policy choices made by No.10 and blessed by the Commons since 2008, never less so than since 2010. Lest you forget (or misrepresent), the EU has done far more for impoverished regions of the UK than Westminster through regional development fund and grants. For years on end, and to the extent that -and the reason why- all such impoverished regions are now asking Westminster for guarantees of substitute funding from No.11 and other Brexit "exemptions". They're not going to get them, either But keep at the flamethrower approach. It always solves all the problems: when you're down to bare ground, anything that starts growing again, can only ever be an improvement. Edited November 17, 2017 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Largely down to the Tory austerity policies, not the EU. But according to the Remoaners the EU is a social-democratic paradise that protects us from the Tories (something it hasn't done, and never had any intention of doing, in our 44 years of membership). The EU is a corporatist, pro-capitalist establishment. It is not, and can never be, either socialist or democratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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