The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Magilla]

Any nonsense I'm trying to pedal (according to you) pales into insignificance when compared to the twisting words and dissent the remainers including you peddle..

 

Oh yeah, that's why you're desperately editing the inconvenient bits out... again and again LOL.. oh, and again!

 

As before, for someone who whines so much about sidestepping you sure are having to do a lot of it

 

Oh and BTW, I'm always classy

 

I can see, desperately so! LOL

Edited November 25, 2017 by Magilla

[Car Boot]

Oh, so only "you and many others" voted to be worse off.... good to know. You also said people voted out with no consideration of being better or worse off, that's clearly nonsense too.

 

For many Leave voters economic considerations were VERY secondary when compared to ending the neoliberal free movement of cheap unskilled EU labour into the UK.

 

Stopping the passage of Acts of Parliament which have come from our EU membership and to ensure that British courts have primacy over British people - and not the kangaroo European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, were also reasons most people voted Leave.

 

I personally didn't want to have to obey, or fund, the corrupt and parasitic EU Commission. Over 10,000 Commission staff are paid more than £70,000 per year to propose new laws and regulations which directly impact me. This is completely unacceptable.

 

So by leaving the EU I already see myself as being much, much better off.

 

Affluent, middle class liberals who voted to Remain only see the world in terms of how much money they can screw out of it. Greedy, selfish EU worshipping vultures.

[melthebell]

For many Leave voters economic considerations were VERY secondary when compared to ending the neoliberal free movement of cheap unskilled EU labour into the UK.

 

Stopping the passage of Acts of Parliament which have come from our EU membership and to ensure that British courts have primacy over British people - and not the kangaroo European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, were also reasons most people voted Leave.

 

I personally didn't want to have to obey, or fund, the corrupt and parasitic EU Commission. Over 10,000 Commission staff are paid more than £70,000 per year to propose new laws and regulations which directly impact me. This is completely unacceptable.

 

So by leaving the EU I already see myself as being much, much better off.

 

Affluent, middle class liberals who voted to Remain only see the world in terms of how much money they can screw out of it. Greedy, selfish EU worshipping vultures.

 

talking out of your fat arse again i see

[Car Boot]

talking out of your fat arse again i see

 

I did wonder how you might possibly achieve well over over 54,000 posts in twelve years on this forum. How could you possibly find the time?

 

But your contributions, such as the one quoted above, demonstrate that your aim on here is most certainly quantity rather than quality.

 

Disappointing.

[melthebell]

I did wonder how you might possibly achieve well over over 54,000 posts in twelve years on this forum. How could you possibly find the time?

 

But your contributions, such as the one quoted above, demonstrate that your aim on here is most certainly quantity rather than quality.

 

Disappointing.

well since none of your EU posts are actually based on fact or indeed in reality

 

i know you are you said you are so what am i?

[El Cid]

For many Leave voters economic considerations were VERY secondary when compared to ending the neoliberal free movement of cheap unskilled EU labour into the UK.

 

 

We have gone from the economy being the biggest influence in how people vote, to the EU; a decade ago peoples class was a large factor, but in the referendum the big factors were peoples age and wealth.

[tinfoilhat]

For many Leave voters economic considerations were VERY secondary when compared to ending the neoliberal free movement of cheap unskilled EU labour into the UK.

 

Stopping the passage of Acts of Parliament which have come from our EU membership and to ensure that British courts have primacy over British people - and not the kangaroo European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, were also reasons most people voted Leave.

 

I personally didn't want to have to obey, or fund, the corrupt and parasitic EU Commission. Over 10,000 Commission staff are paid more than £70,000 per year to propose new laws and regulations which directly impact me. This is completely unacceptable.

 

So by leaving the EU I already see myself as being much, much better off.

 

Affluent, middle class liberals who voted to Remain only see the world in terms of how much money they can screw out of it. Greedy, selfish EU worshipping vultures.

 

Well, if you want us all to be as broke as you, don't worry, that's coming. You'll be at the mercy of a Tory government egged on by the very right wing media (you know - the same ones who told everyone to vote brexit). The life of people on the edge is going to get very very bad.

 

But, I'll ask you again, how will anybody's life be better under brexit?

[phil752]

talking out of your fat arse again i see

 

guess your not doing a bottom burp out of your mouth "fingers" then.

 

---------- Post added 26-11-2017 at 00:23 ----------

 

What a load of nonsense, let's turn that on its head - the UK was considered a country in financial crisis with an incredibly weak economy when it joined the EU, it isn't any more.

 

One could almost argue that a lot changes over the decades

 

In the mean-time, the Greek GDP took a 40% hit in the financial crisis (although skewed as growth figures from 2007-2008 were inflated).

 

Rabobank (a big Dutch bank) has completed a full assessment of what a sudden and hard Brexit would mean for the Dutch economy. It would lead to a 4% reduction, particularly hitting the agriculture sector (flowers, meat, veg - key exports into the UK). On the other hand it would lead to an 18% decline of British GDP. that is 1/5th of the British economy.

 

Now, I am aware that specialists and bankers etc. etc. are not of interest to most Brexiteers, but genuinely give this a think - if the UK unilaterally rips up all trade agreements it currently has, leading to a situation where EVERY import/export movement has to be individually scrutinised, what do you think will happen?

 

You telling me that the Greece fulfilled the requirements to join the EU Euro?

Edited November 26, 2017 by phil752

[Car Boot]

We have gone from the economy being the biggest influence in how people vote, to the EU; a decade ago peoples class was a large factor, but in the referendum the big factors were peoples age and wealth.

 

I certainly think it was the LEXIT vote that proved decisive in swinging the outcome of the referendum towards Leave. A third of Labour party voters backed Leave, and its no coincidence that under Jeremy Corbyn the party has now rejected the economic market liberalism orthodoxy so beloved by both the Blairites and the EU.

 

The constitutional neoliberalism of the EU pits worker against worker. Workers’ rights (a supposed EU strength according to the politically naive) are steadily being eroded. FACT.

 

Landmark judgments by the kangaroo European Court of Justice in the Viking Line and Laval cases have demonstrated the true, anti-worker nature of the EU.

 

In these cases Swedish and Finnish workers attempted to strike in protest at plans to replace them with workers from another EU country on lower-wages. But after being taken to the European kangaroo Court of Injustice these workers were informed that their right to strike CANNOT infringe upon the EU's sacrosanct "four freedoms" (free movement of capital, labour, goods, and services).

 

There you have it. Employers can block legitimate industrial action in any EU country if they deem it to be harmful to the 'four freedoms'. The EU is opposed to social democracy, and indeed socialism. It cannot be reformed. It must be smashed.

[phil752]

What a load of nonsense, let's turn that on its head - the UK was considered a country in financial crisis with an incredibly weak economy when it joined the EU, it isn't any more.

 

One could almost argue that a lot changes over the decades

 

In the mean-time, the Greek GDP took a 40% hit in the financial crisis (although skewed as growth figures from 2007-2008 were inflated).

 

Rabobank (a big Dutch bank) has completed a full assessment of what a sudden and hard Brexit would mean for the Dutch economy. It would lead to a 4% reduction, particularly hitting the agriculture sector (flowers, meat, veg - key exports into the UK). On the other hand it would lead to an 18% decline of British GDP. that is 1/5th of the British economy.

 

Now, I am aware that specialists and bankers etc. etc. are not of interest to most Brexiteers, but genuinely give this a think - if the UK unilaterally rips up all trade agreements it currently has, leading to a situation where EVERY import/export movement has to be individually scrutinised, what do you think will happen?

 

When we joined, I thought we joined the Common Market, not the now EU or am i wrong? Were the rules the same as joining the now EU?

Edited November 26, 2017 by phil752