The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Gormenghast]

Truthful.

 

The serious point is that it doesn’t take much of a demographic shift in the electorate for a remain win in a second referendum to be a foregone conclusion.

 

That shift will most likely have already happened.

 

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What facts do you want?

 

Mortality numbers?

 

Voting patterns in different age groups?

 

Numbers of new voters entering the electorate?

 

It all points to one thing. Leave would lose a second referendum.

 

That would be a start, then we could see if your statements are based on fact not just hearsay.

[Cyclone]

Dirty and disgusting post

 

Not dirty or disgusting, the fact is that the elderly were more likely to vote exit. The elderly keep dying, the young keep getting old enough to vote.

Assuming that getting older doesn't somehow convert people to vote leave, brexit voters are dying and remain voters are increasing in number.

 

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You're so funny. You'll need to develop a new kind of mental gymnastics to turn 139 tweets from 29 Twitter accounts into 17 million Leave votes.

 

Off you pop.

 

Strawman, nobody claimed that Russia was responsible for every leave vote.

 

The claim, now with supporting evidence, is that Russia interfered with the referendum.

 

Off you pop.

[Lockdoctor]

but it didnt say that 350 million was going to the NHS, did it

It was discussed at the time well before the referendum vote. The figure was a example of what the money could be spent on. The slogan just like the Russians didn't affect the referendum result. Someone in Parliament yesterday wasted time bringing up the slogan again. I voted to Remain, but unlike many Remain voters on this forum don't behave in a dishonest way and look for excuses why the Leave option won the referendum vote.

[Cyclone]

You are really not helping your argument here . Basically calling All old leave voters racist

 

Did you just declare that voting leave was a vote for racism?

 

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I'll have lost when you provide some facts.

 

Still waiting.............

 

You're being ridiculous.

Which statements do you deny?

That old people die?

The demographics of the leave vote being that the elderly were more likely to vote leave and the young to vote stay?

 

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It was discussed at the time well before the referendum vote. The figure was a example of what the money could be spent on.

 

So, it WAS a lie then. Because there isn't any money is there. In fact, we're already considerably worse off, and it's only getting worse.

[Gormenghast]

Not dirty or disgusting, the fact is that the elderly were more likely to vote exit. The elderly keep dying, the young keep getting old enough to vote.

Assuming that getting older doesn't somehow convert people to vote leave, brexit voters are dying and remain voters are increasing in number. .

 

If your assumption is that getting older doesn't convert people to vote leave, how can you be sure that older people voted leave?

 

Have you got some voting figures you're not sharing with us?

[SnailyBoy]

All leaving the EU means is the UK is taking a different path. If everyone got behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World, then the likelihood of a more prosperous future is much greater. The people who are doing our country the most harm at this moment are those who continue to complain about the decision to leave, who are looking for problems and siding with the EU negotiators. If the UK had united behind the decision to leave then we would be in a much better negotiating position with the EU than the current situation.

 

Here's the thing, no-one has ever been able to explain what 'getting behind the country' means in practical terms.

 

So I'll ask you, in practical terms, how are you getting 'behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World', and how do you see that making a more prosperous future?

 

It could be an example for us all to follow.

 

Any chance of a response?

[I1L2T3]

If your assumption is that getting older doesn't convert people to vote leave, how can you be sure that older people voted leave?

 

Have you got some voting figures you're not sharing with us?

 

Everything is in the public domain.

 

You know the demographics are against you. Admit it.

[Cyclone]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

in 2016

65 to 69 38565

70 to 74 48991

75 to 79 64149

80 to 84 84506

85 to 89 96103

90 and over 111211

 

Total 404960

 

There were 525,048 deaths registered in England and Wales in 2016.

 

So there we have it, over the age of 65 accounts for 77% of deaths in 2016.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

And over the age of 65 the leave vote was 61%.

Ergo in 2016 alone 247025 leave voters died, whilst (in that age group) 157935 remain voters died. A net loss to remain off 89090.

 

Amongst 18-24 year olds the remain vote was at a staggering 75%. And in 1998 there were over 700,000 births. So in 2016 these people turned 18, adding a net (that's net) 175,000 remain voters.

 

So the shift in a single year from deaths and getting older, is 264090 in favour of remain.

 

The eligible number to vote when it happened was 46,501,241, of which 77% voted. But lets stick with the absolute numbers. The result was 51.9% in favour of leave. So that's a majority of 883523.

And every single year it shifts by 264090 in favour of stay.

By the time it actually happens, it won't have a majority population support. And that's ignoring the misery it's already causing, the lies that tricked people into voting for it, and so on.

[Ridgewalk]

You are really not helping your argument here . Basically calling All old leave voters racist

 

 

I think xenophobia was probably the biggest single reason that people voted Leave. Undoubtedly many of those people are racists. I meet them every day, they seem to assume that we’re on the “ same page “.

 

Reasons they give:

 

1/ You can’t find a home

2/ Taking our jobs

3/ Can’t get an appointment at the GP

4/ They speak a foreign language

5/ They’re taking over ( usually meaning Asians, Black people)

 

 

In time, they’ll either deny they voted Leave, or say it was about “ lack of democratic accountability” or “ lack of sovereignty “ or some such cliche.

 

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If your assumption is that getting older doesn't convert people to vote leave, how can you be sure that older people voted leave?

 

Have you got some voting figures you're not sharing with us?

 

They are in the public domaine, the older the demographic the more likely to vote Leave, and the more likely to vote Conservative.

 

Young people should have got off their backsides and voted

 

Oops too late !

[Gormenghast]

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They are in the public domaine, the older the demographic the more likely to vote Leave, and the more likely to vote Conservative.

 

Young people should have got off their backsides and voted

 

Oops too late !

 

"More likely" isn't a fact. All I want to see is some facts, not hearsay or opinion polls.

 

If you are so certain why can't you produce them?