melthebell Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 its ok somebodys updated the battle bus https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPykkgdX0AELwow.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Patriotism, can you flesh it out a little? How does patriotism translate into practical steps to getting ''behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World', and how do you see that making a more prosperous future?' (you'll notice it's kind of the same question). It's not rocket science. The fact that the UK haven't united behind the democratic decision means the UK government are in a weaker negotiating position than if the UK were seen to be more united by the powers that be in the EU. A bigger EU exit bill makes the UK less prosperous than a smaller exit bill which would have been easily to negotiate, if the whole of the UK had accepted the democratic referendum result. The people to blame the most are our politicians whose arrogance has resulted in them fighting the verdict the democratic people delivered. People like you are insignificant, but sections of our own media haven't acted in the best interest of our country and have been less than patriotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 its ok somebodys updated the battle bus https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPykkgdX0AELwow.jpg TLDR, so this one has my preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It's not rocket science. The fact that the UK haven't united behind the democratic decision means the UK government are in a weaker negotiating position than if the UK were seen to be more united by the powers that be in the EU. A bigger EU exit bill makes the UK less prosperous than a smaller exit bill which would have been easily to negotiate, if the whole of the UK had accepted the democratic referendum result. The people to blame the most are our politicians whose arrogance has resulted in them fighting the verdict the democratic people delivered. People like you are insignificant, but sections of our own media haven't acted in the best interest of our country and have been less than patriotic. No,that's wrong,we've already agreed that the GE that May called to give her a better mandate to negotiate Brexit resulted in a democratic vote by the electorate to give her a worse mandate.Are you criticising the people who voted against May,because they come under your reply here. Also,you have no proof that the exit bill would have been easier to negotiate and smaller, if the whole of the UK had accepted the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 No,that's wrong,we've already agreed that the GE that May called to give her a better mandate to negotiate Brexit resulted in a democratic vote by the electorate to give her a worse mandate.Are you criticising the people who voted against May,because they come under your reply here. Also,you have no proof that the exit bill would have been easier to negotiate and smaller, if the whole of the UK had accepted the referendum. There wouldn't have been a General Election, if the elected politicians had accepted the decision the democratic people made in the EU referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 There wouldn't have been a General Election, if the elected politicians had accepted the decision the democratic people made in the EU referendum. The MPs might have accepted the result of the referendum if the government had tried to build a consensus around it rather than pandering to the small group of extreme EUphobes in it's own party, whilst repeatedly trying to undermine the sovereignty of parliament in an attempt to avoid scrutiny of what it is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The "elected politicians accepted the decision the democratic people made in the EU referendum" on 1st February 2017, when they voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50, over 2 months before Theresa May decided to have another GE on 18 April 2017. This is just another solid platinum strawman, as only Lockdoctor and Car Boot know to cast them. Stop feeding them, and the debate might elevate a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Patriotism, can you flesh it out a little? How does patriotism translate into practical steps to getting ''behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World', and how do you see that making a more prosperous future?' (you'll notice it's kind of the same question). All leaving the EU means is the UK is taking a different path. If everyone got behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World, then the likelihood of a more prosperous future is much greater. The people who are doing our country the most harm at this moment are those who continue to complain about the decision to leave, who are looking for problems and siding with the EU negotiators. If the UK had united behind the decision to leave then we would be in a much better negotiating position with the EU than the current situation. You've not answered the question. I'm not surprised though. Whenever someone comes out with the 'We should all pull together', 'get behind the country' 'behind the democratic decision and embrace the bigger World' rhetoric, they're unable to say what that means in practical terms. As for the patriotism, what if the patriotic thing would be to point out the country is blinding going over a cliff, paying billions of pounds for the privilege of being smaller and weaker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) There wouldn't have been a General Election, if the elected politicians had accepted the decision the democratic people made in the EU referendum. Every GE there's a democratic decision made by the voters to elect a government,what should the politicians who are not in that government do,be 'patriotic' and fall in line with everything that the Great British Public decided in that election and shut up,or oppose,and should the public who voted for those politicians who get to Parliament but are not in government also shut up and be patriotic because they lost?,because if you are advocating that they do,the road you are going down if they don't is the thought police. Edited November 30, 2017 by chalga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The "elected politicians accepted the decision the democratic people made in the EU referendum" on 1st February 2017, when they voted overwhelmingly to trigger Article 50, over 2 months before Theresa May decided to have another GE on 18 April 2017. This is just another solid platinum strawman, as only Lockdoctor and Car Boot know to cast them. Stop feeding them, and the debate might elevate a bit Mrs May stated on the day she called the General Election in Downing Street the reason was to strengthen her hand for Brexit Negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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