The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[phil752]

If remain got 60% great

 

If leave got 60% then I would accept the result, but not hard Brexit because hard Brexit is not an inevitable consequence of a leave vote in a binary referendum....as you are going to find out.

 

The democratic decision making process does not end with a vote, it continues and informs the best outcome in the national interest.

 

So even with a 60% leave win I would still be agitating against a hard Brexit, as my democratic right.

 

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Rees-Mogg doesn’t seem that trustworthy.

 

I watched the video that Alan Hartley posted the other day and Mogg seems to be a very confused individual with a bizarre world view mash-up. He talked about the Garden of Eden as if it was a real place and then said that the inevitable consequence of socialism was states like North Korea - yet this is the man having wet dreams about free trade with communist China.

 

My conclusion about Mogg is he needs more air time for people to understand how weirdly his brain works.

 

so if there was 60 percent you would support it as long as it was your way. How does that work lol

 

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If remain got 60% great

 

If leave got 60% then I would accept the result, but not hard Brexit because hard Brexit is not an inevitable consequence of a leave vote in a binary referendum....as you are going to find out.

 

The democratic decision making process does not end with a vote, it continues and informs the best outcome in the national interest.

 

So even with a 60% leave win I would still be agitating against a hard Brexit, as my democratic right.

 

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Rees-Mogg doesn’t seem that trustworthy.

 

I watched the video that Alan Hartley posted the other day and Mogg seems to be a very confused individual with a bizarre world view mash-up. He talked about the Garden of Eden as if it was a real place and then said that the inevitable consequence of socialism was states like North Korea - yet this is the man having wet dreams about free trade with communist China.

 

My conclusion about Mogg is he needs more air time for people to understand how weirdly his brain works.

 

He seems very coherent and precise in his answers when I have heard him.

[I1L2T3]

so if there was 60 percent you would support it as long as it was your way. How does that work lol

 

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He seems very coherent and precise in his answers when I have heard him.

 

If it was 60% that wouldn’t lock us into any particular form of Brexit, so yes I’d support the form of it that was in the national interest and oppose forms of it that would damage us nationally. The democratic process does not stop with the vote and we’ve already seen this in action. For example not so many months ago Johnson said the EU could “go whistle” for a divorce payment. Look what happened since.

 

Mogg is confident in what he says but his reasoning is based on an incoherent mash-up of concepts and ideas. Fundamentally what he is arguing for is incoherent in economic terms.

[phil752]

If it was 60% that wouldn’t lock us into any particular form of Brexit, so yes I’d support the form of it that was in the national interest and oppose forms of it that would damage us nationally. The democratic process does not stop with the vote and we’ve already seen this in action. For example not so many months ago Johnson said the EU could “go whistle” for a divorce payment. Look what happened since.

 

Mogg is confident in what he says but his reasoning is based on an incoherent mash-up of concepts and ideas. Fundamentally what he is arguing for is incoherent in economic terms.

 

so any higher percentage would not change anything.

 

Mogg is incoherent in what way?

[I1L2T3]

so any higher percentage would not change anything.

 

Mogg is incoherent in what way?

 

In a yes/no vote a higher percentage would not indicate any specific form of Brexit should be followed. It’s a yes/no vote. What happens after is a continuation of the democratic process.

 

Mogg is a free trade fundamentalist in cahoots with American economic nationalists who are preaching protectionism. He also seems to believe the garden of Eden was a real place so seems to have some hardline Christian beliefs and uses them to justify a harsh 19th century style capitalism. At a basic level if his economic ideas were implemented many people in the U.K. would suffer economically - any attempt to implement what be believed in would quickly kill the implementation of it. It’s incoherent nonsense.

[phil752]

In a yes/no vote a higher percentage would not indicate any specific form of Brexit should be followed. It’s a yes/no vote. What happens after is a continuation of the democratic process.

 

Mogg is a free trade fundamentalist in cahoots with American economic nationalists who are preaching protectionism. He also seems to believe the garden of Eden was a real place so seems to have some hardline Christian beliefs and uses them to justify a harsh 19th century style capitalism. At a basic level if his economic ideas were implemented many people in the U.K. would suffer economically - any attempt to implement what be believed in would quickly kill the implementation of it. It’s incoherent nonsense.

 

Don't see how you get any of that from what he has said or wrote, I was a really big sceptic, mainly how he dressed and talked. Found nothing really he is privileged. However so is Corbyn ever asked, how he has a London house and never worked really as a person before he became an MP?

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[I1L2T3]

Don't see how you get any of that from what he has said or wrote, I was a really big sceptic, mainly how he dressed and talked. Found nothing really he is privileged. However so is Corbyn ever asked, how he has a London house and never worked really as a person before he became an MP?

 

I watched the video that Alan Hartley posted, and it’s ridiculous. In it Mogg is obviously in very friendly surroundings and he just lets go with his true economic beliefs. It’s complete nonsense - any economist on either side of the Brexit debate would rip his arguments to shreds.

[El Cid]

If leave got 60% then I would accept the result,

 

I accept the 52% vote to leave, and I am a Liberal Democrat, but there is nothing wrong with Parliament or the voters confirming that vote.

 

I also accept leaving without another referendum; but I do not believe leaving is the correct thing to do, we can come back to that question in 5/10 years.

[andyofborg]

However so is Corbyn ever asked, how he has a London house and never worked really as a person before he became an MP?

 

I'm not sure why you feel Corbyn having a house in London is an issue. Corbyn has been an MP for a London constituency for a long time and will have had an opportunity to purchase a house in London at a time when all house prices we sensible.

 

very few MP's seem to have had a "proper" job before entering Parliament, that's part of our problem.

[Cyclone]

So democracy can whistle then.

 

How would a requirement for a supramajority be not democratic?

[I1L2T3]

I'm not sure why you feel Corbyn having a house in London is an issue. Corbyn has been an MP for a London constituency for a long time and will have had an opportunity to purchase a house in London at a time when all house prices we sensible.

 

very few MP's seem to have had a "proper" job before entering Parliament, that's part of our problem.

 

It’s not an issue. It’s what Tories do all the time when under pressure - they try and switch the argument to other parties.

 

Nobody could have made a bigger hash of Brexit than the Tories but somehow they will try and make that the fault of Cable, Corbyn, UKIP, the SNP or whoever is a suitable target at the time.

 

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New poll suggests growing support for second referendum.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britons-majority-in-favour-of-public-vote-on-final-brexit-deal-uk-politics-a8089161.html

 

Good chance of it happening IMO.

 

There is going to be a crap storm of news in first half of 2018 and it’s going to make people twitchy

 

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Farage still expects to get his £73k a year EU pension after Brexit

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-42213947/nigel-farage-it-s-not-hypocrisy-to-take-eu-pension

 

He’s done ok out of this anti-EU gig. Shame for the rest of us.

 

What a snake.