tzijlstra Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I wasn't blaming the EU for anything. After the UK leaves the EU, it will be up to the UK Government to pay farm subsidies which they judge to be in the national interest and there will be winners and losers. A high so called divorce settlement might not be in the national interest, even if it does pave the way for a free trade deal with the EU. There are good arguments that the UK would be better off with a no deal with the EU. 'The EU didn't prevent BSE' etc. etc. Sounds a lot like blaming the EU. The UK won't be able to pay the farm subsidies, especially in case of a deal, but then a lot of the payment from the UK will go to paying those subsidies. Again, all matters that should have been considered before rushing into this situation. Matters that weren't, as is becoming abundantly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Oh yeah.. Well, take a look at your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Already pointed this out, and others have pointed out the damage to British farms. I doubt there will be any damage, people said the same when the minimum wage was introduced and farms had to implement it. In any-case a great deal of these farmers especially in Cornwall and Wales actually voted leave so should have understood the consequences before voting. By voting leave they will have known that the CAP subsidies they previously got would end. ---------- Post added 10-12-2017 at 18:20 ---------- Well, take a look at your post I know, hence the big grin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Smash the Common Agricultural Policy which increases food prices here in the UK and destroys economies in Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I doubt there will be any damage, people said the same when the minimum wage was introduced and farms had to implement it. In any-case a great deal of these farmers especially in Cornwall and Wales actually voted leave so should have understood the consequences before voting. By voting leave they will have known that the CAP subsidies they previously got would end. ---------- Post added 10-12-2017 at 18:20 ---------- I know, hence the big grin.. Hold on......this is a negotiation outcome that can’t have been known. Can I borrow your crystal ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 No I’m making a positive case for British farmers. We won’t be in the CAP anyway. Yes they will have to change and adapt over time but flooding the U.K. with cheap food is going to damage farmers, the countryside and rural communities. The EU has been flooding (dumping) Africa with cheap food for decades, damaging farmers livelihoods and ruining economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 But then you have to consider where food would be diverted from and the impact from pollution. Already pointed this out, and others have pointed out the damage to British farms. Not very patriotic are you? Yes, I wasn't very patriotic when I voted to remain in the EU. I am beginning to regret the way I voted. I was very patriotic, yesterday when I stocked a big chest freezer full of British beef bought at £4.50 kilo. I took advantage of cheap beef bought from my local supermarket. What about all those diesel lorries which bring in goods from the EU, they must cause a fair amount of pollution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 What about all those diesel lorries which bring in goods from the EU, they must cause a fair amount of pollution? As does the energy required to keep your freezer going - perhaps we should just go back to small holdings.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Hold on......this is a negotiation outcome that can’t have been known. Can I borrow your crystal ball What do you mean cant have been known? Of course it was as it was always on the cards that by leaving we would no longer get CAP subsidies. Dont forget there was no such thing as a soft or hard Brexit at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The EU has been flooding (dumping) Africa with cheap food for decades, damaging farmers livelihoods and ruining economies. At what point does famine relief become dumping? ---------- Post added 10-12-2017 at 18:45 ---------- What do you mean cant have been known? Of course it was as it was always on the cards that by leaving we would no longer get CAP subsidies. Dont forget there was no such thing as a soft or hard Brexit at that time. Ahh, so you knew what bits we would lose and what bits we would keep - remind me about next Saturday's numbers again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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