I1L2T3 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 That deal was the catalyst for my Leave vote. It represented the future direction of the EU and I wasn't happy with that. Interestingly the remainder of your post shows a remarkable similarity to my own thinking. It seems that our outcome is the only real difference. I’m a remainer obviously but that doesn’t mean I need to be 100% behind everything the EU does and plans. For 200 years now we as a country have a tradition of stepping into Europe to help resolve issues. I really don’t think stepping away now is the right thing to do. We can fix things from the inside. Trying to fix things from outside is difficult and like I said we have 200 years experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Actually that's not quite true in terms of being a beneficiary. Poland is about midway, with Spain receiving the least and Luxembourg receiving the highest. The stats on Luxembourg are distorted by the fact they receive more because of their close ties with the EU. When you look at the figures its not surprising that its the poorer countries that receive the most are generally, at the same time, places where a lot of imported cheap labour also comes from. Its that cheap labour that many successful EU countries now rely on to drive their economy, but what happens when these poorer countries start to gain ground. Basically at the moment the EU is bribing those countries in exchange for cheap labour and when that dries up the EU will face its biggest crisis. Another reason they want us to pay them a divorce settlement. Plenty of sources of cheap labour other than Eastern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 We must stand in solidarity with our Polish brothers and sisters against the might of EU superstate aggression. This is bloody hilarious. A lot of the xenophobes I heard before the referendum was because there were too many Poles coming to this country. Also, it was also the Polish community that was on the end of a lot of abuse after the vote as it seemed to embolden the xenophobes among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joker Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 This is bloody hilarious. A lot of the xenophobes I heard before the referendum was because there were too many Poles coming to this country. Also, it was also the Polish community that was on the end of a lot of abuse after the vote as it seemed to embolden the xenophobes among us. didn’t you know? We’re not xenophobes. We love foreigners . . . as long as they remain over there and stay foreigners, instead of coming over here as immigrants or refugees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) Plenty of sources of cheap labour other than Eastern Europe. True but that's not what the EU or the countries in it really want. Getting thousands of seasonal workers from far away does not work, that's why there is a policy of open borders and free movement within the EU. As said its basically a policy of giving poorer countries money in order to capitalise on their spare unemployed. Notice the new members who have been encouraged to join and where the cheap labour comes from. Edited December 22, 2017 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 True but that's not what the EU or the countries in it really want. Getting thousands of seasonal workers from far away does not work, that's why there is a policy of open borders and free movement within the EU. As said its basically a policy of giving poorer countries money in order to capitalise on their spare unemployed. Notice the new members who have been encouraged to join and where the cheap labour comes from. What makes you think the majority of workers from new members are seasonal workers? Have a look at Figure 4 of this report and see what sort of jobs the majority of EU8 workers (those from the new countries) do. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/migrationandthelabourmarketuk/2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Theres one good thing, we can go back to blue passports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253 The idiots seem happy anyway, despite the fact that the EU didnt compell us to change the colour, we just did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Theres one good thing, we can go back to blue passports http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42443253 The idiots seem happy anyway, despite the fact that the EU didnt compell us to change the colour, we just did I told you there would be good things to come, after leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I told you there would be good things to come, after leaving yeah and the contract to make em has to be negotiated, prolly cos more millions, if not billions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 yeah and the contract to make em has to be negotiated, prolly cos more millions, if not billions Or trillions . do you think after we leave we can call a pikelet , a pikelet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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