retep Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The thing that remoaners can't seem to grasp despite their crowing how intelligent they are and how thick the leavers are is, "back in 2015 at Chatham House, former Prime Minister David Cameron clearly set out that there would be no second referendum if the UK voted to leave. In the old footage, he said: “You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future. “It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave. “Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide. “At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision. “So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay, I say think again. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum “The renegotiation is happening right now. And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum. “When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The thing that remoaners can't seem to grasp despite their crowing how intelligent they are and how thick the leavers are is, You have noticed it's Nigel Farage who's said there should be another referendum haven't you? Are you now calling him thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 The thing that remoaners can't seem to grasp despite their crowing how intelligent they are and how thick the leavers are is, "back in 2015 at Chatham House, former Prime Minister David Cameron clearly set out that there would be no second referendum if the UK voted to leave. In the old footage, he said: “You will have to judge what is best for you and your family, for your children and grandchildren, for our country, for our future. “It will be your decision whether to remain in the EU on the basis of the reforms we secure, or whether we leave. “Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide. “At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision. “So to those who suggest that a decision in the referendum to leave would merely produce another stronger renegotiation and then a second referendum in which Britain would stay, I say think again. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum “The renegotiation is happening right now. And the referendum that follows will be a once in a generation choice. An in or out referendum. “When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum." He’s not in charge any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 He’s not in charge any more He never was, but he made a statement on behalf of his party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) At last I agree with Farage on something. Bring on the second referendum As a second 'in/out' referendum as mooted by Nigel Farage, that would be pointless, because it would likely only return the same narrow margin between each side of the debate; to say nothing of the further delaying whilst the Article 50 clock is still ticking down. As a referendum about 'get out with the negotiated deal/get out with no deal', it would have more relevance. But that'd be a really dangerous option, with how ill-informed and easily manipulated the electorate still is. Even then, a majority in the UK opting for 'get out with the negotiated deal' is no guarantee that the UK could actually do so, since that negotiated deal must be approved by Parliaments across the EU27 and by the EU Parliament itself (wherein if only one such Parliament in the EU27 rejected it, it would be back to the negotiation; and out with no deal regardless, if there was still nothing approved by 29 March 2019). Overall, I'd say it's pointless. The EU is now clearly considering the UK exit as a done-and-dusted fact, so all efforts might as well be expended trying to reach the best possible deal (by October this year latest), instead of wasting time and resources on hypothetical further referenda. Edited January 11, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 He never was, but he made a statement on behalf of his party. Yes, and how many u-turns has that party done since? Democracy marches on. You can’t build a mosaic of random fragments from the past and argue that mosaic is the definitive truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaati Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Removed the insult and the quote chain after it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Yes, and how many u-turns has that party done since? Democracy marches on. You can’t build a mosaic of random fragments from the past and argue that mosaic is the definitive truth. I doubt there will be a u turn on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 As a second 'in/out' referendum as mooted by Nigel Farage, that would be pointless, because it would likely only return the same narrow margin between each side of the debate; to say nothing of the further delaying whilst the Article 50 clock is still ticking down. As a referendum about 'get out with the negotiated deal/get out with no deal', it would have more relevance. But that'd be a really dangerous option, with how ill-informed and easily manipulated the electorate still is. Even then, a majority in the UK opting for 'get out with the negotiated deal' is no guarantee that the UK could actually do so, since that negotiated deal must be approved by Parliaments across the EU27 and by the EU Parliament itself (wherein if only one such Parliament in the EU27 rejected it, it would be back to the negotiation; and out with no deal regardless, if there was still nothing approved by 29 March 2019). Overall, I'd say it's pointless. The EU is now clearly considering the UK exit as a done-and-dusted fact, so all efforts might as well be expended trying to reach the best possible deal (by October this year latest), instead of wasting time and resources on hypothetical further referenda. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Government's trade bill includes Henry VIII powers to bypass parliamentary scrutiny when agreeing future trade deals. No it does not.. Just where does it say that in the bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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