L00b Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) hardly an environmentally friendly solutionLittle to no environmental issues with modern refuse incineration plants (relative to conventional fossil fuel plants). There's been one in my home city in France for about 47 years (population 200.000 approx) , cogeneration-based ('CHP', for combined heat and power: burn refuse to produce electricity, capture heat from electricity production and use that for local heating). It's been heating at least a third of urban dwellings in winter and heating water for these all year-round, year-in, year-out all that time. Very cheaply so, very reliably so, with regular major updates to gradually convert towards biomass-based solutions. Tons of environmental benefits: electricity and heat 100% produced from local resources (local refuse, renewable biomass), no boilers needed (nor to be found) in the dwellings supplied, no gas nor oil piping required (nor supplies), <...> It's really not the environmental boogeyman which the public still seems to commonly perceive. But the max benefits are only really available in an urban context (density helps re. cogenerated heat). And it's got to be done right, of course. So, preferably kept as a not-for-profit operation. Edited January 15, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 But lets face it - it's far too easy to point at one example of a dirty CHP waste plant, point at some EU rules and whine the Bruxelles mandarins (unelected dontcha know) are forcing it upon the plucky brits and stir up a bit of hatred. Thats why you just dont get civilised debate anymore on such subjects. Leeds has built a new one I understand so clean most people dont realise it even exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Welcome back, Mr O But then, you're back just as I'm leaving next month Ah well, I'll ask the hound to leave some boars around for ye, for when you're next over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Welcome back, Mr O But then, you're back just as I'm leaving next month Ah well, I'll ask the hound to leave some boars around for ye, for when you're next over Meh I'm only back for a few months until this client is safely transferred over to the Fatherland Money was too good to refuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Long time since we've had a proper consequence in here, actually. So, topically, I give you Mr Macron, coming over to meet Ms May at No.10 on Thursday, with (as forecast -by the British press- back in May 2017) a copy of the Le Touquet Agreement and a big pair of scissors in his satchel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 What really depressing Loob is if you asked the average referendum voting person on the street, either pro or anti, they wont know what the Le Touquet agreement even is.... Yet I bet they voted on a soundbite about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The EU has one insuperable problem confronting it: no UK deal mean no UK money (and therefore a free UK departure). The only way that the EU will have any claim for money is if it agrees a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Supporters of the EU... Mercenary defenders of global capitalism. Economic vampires who prey upon the member states and their populations. A marked superiority complex and contempt for the lower social classes drive a burning desire to perpetuate the new economic and political European World Order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The EU is why we have the majority of employment rights that we have. The idea that the tories will somehow be less pro big business than the EU is the most backwards thing I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Supporters of the EU... Mercenary defenders of global capitalism. Economic vampires who prey upon the member states and their populations. A marked superiority complex and contempt for the lower social classes drive a burning desire to perpetuate the new economic and political European World Order. Let's get rid of the EU and make all these problems dissappear,they never existed before it,and they won't exist after it,there are no people in the world who drive these problems except EU connected people..........oh,and getting rid of the EU will cure all known diseases as well. ---------- Post added 15-01-2018 at 17:55 ---------- The EU has one insuperable problem confronting it: no UK deal mean no UK money (and therefore a free UK departure). The only way that the EU will have any claim for money is if it agrees a deal. Don't worry,the EU are quaking in their boots,didn't the man of the people say so after meeting Barnier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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