ENG601PM Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Interesting option on the table for the EU parliament: Looks like the way for an Irish solution might involve some sort of hybrid NI membership. (Source) No, what that means is that people born in NI as well as people with Irish parents or grandparents are entitled to Eire citizenship and passport. It's been that way for years. It's nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 No, what that means is that people born in NI as well as people with Irish parents or grandparents are entitled to Eire citizenship and passport. It's been that way for years. It's nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. Except that currently a large part of NI citizens don’t have an Irish passport and thus would lose (potentially) that right. It is interesting that it is explicitly mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Remind us again of EU Federalist In Chief Mr Macron's background? Whattaboutery from you? Surprising. But welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Except that currently a large part of NI citizens don’t have an Irish passport and thus would lose (potentially) that right. It is interesting that it is explicitly mentioned. There is no except, it is entirely their choice. ---------- Post added 24-01-2018 at 09:01 ---------- Whattaboutery from you? Surprising. But welcome Not whataboutery. It's very pertinent when your claim is that the UK is somehow in hock to big finance, when the reality is that the EU is based around a big finance model which benefits established incumbents. Macron's previous background and current circle is no secret. To broaden your point, as with any market, more regulation EU style just makes it harder for new entrants to enter the market underlining the innate protectionist nature of the EU. That said, I am told that the UK's financial regulation is generally much tighter than anything the EU has to offer since 2008 so the need for any EU involvement at all is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) Interesting option on the table for the EU parliament: Looks like the way for an Irish solution might involve some sort of hybrid NI membership. (Source) That citizenship stuff (and MEP seat reallocations) is just noise. There are much more important -and complex- issues to consider and resolve, for the UK to meet its commitment to an open NI/IE border. For instance, that citizenship solution does not resolve the certification problems (including e.g. the lapsing as of 01 April 2019, of both status for UK notified bodies and of the product compliance certificates they have issued), the solving of which is compulsory for maintaining an NI/IE open border. The UK has formally acknowledged that it is committed to avoiding a hard border (para 43 of Joint Report) and that it has guaranteed to avoid a hard border (para 49). It's explicitly stated that avoiding a hard border involves there being no physical infrastructure or related checks and controls (para 43). Furthermore, the UK has agreed that any Brexit deal, and any future trade deal, must be compatible with there being no hard border (para 49). Finally, the UK has said that even if it fails to reach agreement with the EU on how an open border is to be delivered, it will still "maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement" (para 49 again). There's nothing ambiguous or unclear about this. Certain brexity voices may be presenting this as unclear or minimal, but it is neither. Brexity voices are capable of coming up with all kinds of surreal nonsense so, no matter what language was in the joint report, they could still say that it was unclear. Of course, none of this forces the UK to sign a Brexit deal which keeps the border open. But that was never an attainable objective in phase 1. Until the UK signs a Brexit deal, they haven't signed a Brexit deal, and no amount of clear wording in phase 1 was ever going to change that. What has been achieved, though, is an acknowledgement that there will be no Brexit deal unless it's a Brexit deal that delivers an open border between NI and IE. And Ireland has done that, not by exercising or threatening to exercise an Irish veto, but by getting the EU onside, which is a much more powerful position. It could still happen that the UK thinks better of the commitments and guarantees it has given and crashes out without a Brexit deal or a trade deal but, as already pointed out, that possibility can never be excluded until the UK actually signs a Brexit deal. And, if the UK does that, sooner or later they are going to feel the resulting pain and come back looking for some kind of deal with the EU: the starting point for that deal will be what the UK and the EU agreed last month, as set out in the phase 1 report, which includes an open border. ---------- Post added 24-01-2018 at 09:23 ---------- Not whataboutery. It's very pertinent when your claim is that the UK is somehow in hock to big finance,That claim is proven beyond any reasonable doubt by the Remembrancer position and appointment model, which goes back to the 1600s, alone. That is before we even consider the factual evidence of the 'light touch' taken about regulation of the City by successive governments since the 80s at least, and the just-as-factual evidence of the excesses perpetrated in the City time and again (those we know about, that is) resulting in highly publicised investigations, sanctions and court cases. You don't have to disapprove of that situation and these issue, for the sake of positioning amongst financial turnplates on the global stage and financial gain to UK Plc. Everybody has their own moral yardstick, we can all be as mercenary -or more- as the next guy for self-interest. But you don't get to hand-wave away the amoral and undemocratic character of that situation and the regulatory shortcomings resulting in these issues, nor their eventual consequences. I don't think I need to remind all and sundry about the non-trivial role played by the City in the building and trading of US subprimes-based financial instruments that eventually led to the 2008 GFC, and the financial and human cost to UK taxpayers alone...do I? when the reality is that <etc.>All of that is whattabouttery, until (i) proven and (ii) causally linked to my point about the City and its averred influence on the British law-making system and governance. Edited January 24, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I have great respect for those who voted remain and have now accepted the decision. Even more so when they have changed their minds and seen the light. PS I see the £ is at $1.40. Isn't that higher than before the referendum? Lord Farage has just said so on his show.... Farage as ever will be lying. IT's not that the pound has risen back to that height. More like the dollar has fallen. The pound is still flat against the Euro and other currencies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Farage as ever will be lying. IT's not that the pound has risen back to that height. More like the dollar has fallen. The pound is still flat against the Euro and other currencies... not more lies and mistruths from the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Farage as ever will be lying. IT's not that the pound has risen back to that height. More like the dollar has fallen. The pound is still flat against the Euro and other currencies... Its a combination of the Dollar falling and also more confidence in the markets about Brexit, but as you say its still down on the Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowCostPoint Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 not more lies and mistruths from the right? Unemployment is at its lowest point ever. Exports are booming, the stock exchange doing the same and exports are going through the roof. A bit of humility would be nice from the Remain Trolls. Admit it you were all wrong. We were supposed to be fighting in the street for food at this point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Unemployment is at its lowest point ever. Exports are booming, the stock exchange doing the same and exports are going through the roof. A bit of humility would be nice from the Remain Trolls. Admit it you were all wrong. We were supposed to be fighting in the street for food at this point.. all that BUT the pound is still down, NOT UP like your mighty fuher stated a lies a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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