RJRB Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Please don’t respond Fogey You and others have given straightforward and reasoned answers to the meandering thoughts of Eng etc. What he has failed to do throughout his postings is to give a reasoned response as to what benefits we will see from Brexit as opposed to the downside. This is the real discussion and the subject of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Please don’t respond Fogey You and others have given straightforward and reasoned answers to the meandering thoughts of Eng etc. What he has failed to do throughout his postings is to give a reasoned response as to what benefits we will see from Brexit as opposed to the downside. This is the real discussion and the subject of this thread. You should pay attention sonny. Federalisation. EU decline. Too many words for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) Far too many from you pops Now concisely What benefits? Edited February 20, 2018 by RJRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 You should pay attention sonny. Federalisation. EU decline. Too many words for you? The only thing declining in the EU is the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 #despitebrexit The only thing declining in the EU is the UK. Except that's just not true is it? The UK is doing rather well at the moment, but the EU has been declining for years and the fix - federalisation - is going to end in tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) You should pay attention sonny. Federalisation. EU decline. Too many words for you? Brexit will not be defined by what happens in the EU,unless the UK Government,in answer to the 'Just about managing' question of where's our Brexit dividend,are going to say,there isn't one,but look at the EU...........will looking at the EU pay their bills? ---------- Post added 20-02-2018 at 08:54 ---------- #despitebrexit Except that's just not true is it? The UK is doing rather well at the moment, but the EU has been declining for years and the fix - federalisation - is going to end in tears. The EU is doing better than the UK.Even Italy and Greece are now growing faster than the UK. Edited February 20, 2018 by chalga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) #despitebrexit Except that's just not true is it? The UK is doing rather well at the moment, but the EU has been declining for years and the fix - federalisation - is going to end in tears. If Britain is doing rather well at the moment then it is as part of the EU. It will not be doing so relatively well when foreign investment diminishes and EU markets are subject to additional barriers. Federalisation will not happen .This may be some extremist view of a few ,but this is far removed from a Confederation of European countries with their own identities.There is sufficient reason to maintain membership and work on its imperfections rather making this backward step. Edited February 20, 2018 by RJRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 If Britain is doing rather well at the moment then it is as part of the EU. It will not be doing so relatively well when foreign investment diminishes and EU markets are subject to additional barriers. Federalisation will not happen .This may be some extremist view of a few ,but this is far removed from a Confederation of European countries with their own identities.There is sufficient reason to maintain membership and work on its imperfections rather making this backward step. You need to print this out and every 1st January, take a look and have a think. Meantime, maybe you should start paying more attention to what is actually happening, what people are actually saying and doing, instead of parroting the lines that you're being fed from the media that happens to make you feel comfortable. This thread is full of all the basics you need to start that process so don't ask me to do it again unless you have a very specific point about a very specific thing that you have actually taken time to learn about. Off you pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 What is the diminutive of a troll Could it be a Trollope.That will do . As I have said previously,I am prepared to be swayed or comforted by any convincing argument for Brexit and none has been forthcoming from May,Davis,Boris,IDS or you. You are the one who trots out the emotive words gleaned from The Mail regarding Federalisation,perhaps the biggest lie of the whole campaign,together with the fearmongering on immigration as propagated by The Sun. Carry on in your quest to prove that you are an idiot.Stockholm Syndrome!������ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 That is the big question. I was going to suggest it was because of the population increasing but its not so clear. In the 40 years From 1964 to 2004 the population steadily increased by 6 Million and the GDP per capita rose from $1,729.40 to $39,824.76. Yet in just the 12 years from 2004 till 2016 the population increased by almost the same amount but the GDP per capita remained steady and hardly moved to just $39,899.39. So yes its a big question and probably a combination of many things, as said it was already rising pre EEC/EU. ---------- Post added 19-02-2018 at 23:26 ---------- To get a fuller picture you need to go back pre 1973, see above. Its also better to use GDP per capita as well and not just GDP. Have you corrected for inflation in those figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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