Top Cats Hat Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The majority of voters demonstrated their commitment to leaving the EU. The majority of voters backed INDEPENDENCE. The majority of the UK population (74%) did NOT vote to leave the UK. Every reputable economic forecaster in the world predicts an overall negative effect on the British economy for at least the next twenty years as a result of leaving the EU. Many of those surveys predict those areas who voted most heavily to leave the EU will be hardest hit and first hit by the economic downturn. Anyone who still thinks Brexit is a good idea really needs to give their head a wobble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 The majority of the UK population (74%) did NOT vote to leave the UK. As a remoaner, I feel duty bound to point out that the inferred corollary that 74% voted to stay is false. I can only put it like this, five and one fifth out of ten cats - whose owners expressed a preference - chose to leave the EU. You just know which end of the cat, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 As a remoaner, I feel duty bound to point out that the inferred corollary that 74% voted to stay is false. That is not what I am saying or inferring. What I am saying is this is probably the single most important decision the UK has made for decades. To do it when only 31% of those eligible to vote could be bothered to go out and vote for it, and then claim some form of democratic mandate is an act of gross political cowardice. Although Teresa May pretty much sat on the fence as far as the referendum campaign was concerned, she did categorically say that it was not in Britain's interest to leave the EU. So why on earth is she trying to negotiate something she knows is deeply damaging? Shouldn't she have resigned as Cameron did,rather than doing something she knows to be wrong. If 3% of Welsh voters had voted remain instead of leave, the overall UK result would still have been narrowly in favour of leave but would be composed of England voting to leave but Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar voting to remain. In this scenario would Brexiteers still be claiming that the people of the UK had voted to leave so leave we must? Real democracy is about FAIRLY reflecting the needs of the population, not just counting votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 (edited) No, a slight majority of those who voted in the EU referendum voted to leave. But to be pedantic that is still a majority no matter how slight so counts as such. 39% of the electorate voted to leave. 31% of those eligible to vote voted to leave. 26% of the UK population voted to leave. Claiming that 'the country has voted to leave', as a democratic argument is nonsense. You seem to be getting mixed up and as explained earlier its those that actually voted that count, and by your figures that was 39% as opposed to only 34.7% who voted remain. It is neither here nor there whether only 31% of those eligible to vote voted leave or whether 26% of the population voted to leave, especially as in the latter those under 18 could not vote. Basically its a straw man argument. So yes in a sense the country did vote to leave if you only include those that actually cast a vote. ---------- Post added 01-03-2018 at 23:45 ---------- The majority of the UK population (74%) did NOT vote to leave the UK. And again just to correct you (haven't we been here before )its not the population that count for obvious reasons. ---------- Post added 01-03-2018 at 23:53 ---------- But leavers lack consistency kind of like a botched blancmange. Apparently they will believe one sentence in a government brochure as solemn truth while simultaneously dismissing everything else in it as project fear. But the reverse is also true of the remainers. They believed everything in that brochure as the gospel truth but dismiss the one sentence they disliked. Edited March 1, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 Basically its a straw man argument. Do you know what a straw man argument is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Do you know what a straw man argument is? Yes.. and something you seem to enjoy putting forward. Did I mention you seem familiar.. for a new user.. Edited March 2, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 The majority of the UK population (74%) did NOT vote to leave the UK. Every reputable economic forecaster in the world predicts an overall negative effect on the British economy for at least the next twenty years as a result of leaving the EU. Many of those surveys predict those areas who voted most heavily to leave the EU will be hardest hit and first hit by the economic downturn. Anyone who still thinks Brexit is a good idea really needs to give their head a wobble! Why would they, you'd need a bigger boat than Noahs ark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 But the reverse is also true of the remainers. They believed everything in that brochure as the gospel truth but dismiss the one sentence they disliked. A lot of it is accurate and explains the risks of leaving quite well. If you get your hard Brexit (which is unlikely) let’s go back and take a look at the brochure. If we get a soft Brexit then most of the risks in the brochure will be avoided. Good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 No, a slight majority of those who voted in the EU referendum voted to leave. 39% of the electorate voted to leave. 31% of those eligible to vote voted to leave. 26% of the UK population voted to leave. Claiming that 'the country has voted to leave', as a democratic argument is nonsense. Democracy works by only counting votes cast . The winner in a referendum, in which there are only two choices, is the choice which receives the most votes. It shouldn't be difficult to understand. Approx 17 million voted to leave and approx 16 million voted to remain. The turnout was the highest since the 1992 General Election. As you like statistics , 0% of the UK population voted to join the EEC before the UK joined in 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted March 2, 2018 Share Posted March 2, 2018 I see May is beginning to tell the truth... "Access to each others markets would be "less than it is now" She said both sides needed to accept that "neither side can have exactly what we want" And yet, she still sidesteps the Irish border question - the subject which will be her downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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