The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[andyofborg]

Flag of convenience?

 

convenience for who?

 

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The disadvantaged and vulnerable have been suffering the costs of our EU membership for over 40 years.

 

They'll suffer even more when CETA is enforced, and it will still apply to us even after we leave. No MPs or MEPs were allowed to take part in the talks, which took place in secret, and no one was granted access to the text of the CETA agreement until it was too late. The EU doesn't like democracy.

 

The EU is using CETA to further empower big business and reduce basic rights for EU citizens.

 

Smash the EU - by any means necessary.

 

how do you think the CETA deal will be different to the dozens which liam fox will be signing?

[chalga]

The disadvantaged and vulnerable have been suffering the costs of our EU membership for over 40 years.

 

They'll suffer even more when CETA is enforced, and it will still apply to us even after we leave. No MPs or MEPs were allowed to take part in the talks, which took place in secret, and no one was granted access to the text of the CETA agreement until it was too late. The EU doesn't like democracy.

 

The EU is using CETA to further empower big business and reduce basic rights for EU citizens.

 

Smash the EU - by any means necessary.

 

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2017/may/25/what-happens-next-ceta

 

And then there’s the UK

 

Anyone imagining the UK parliament is ‘taking back control’ of trade policy decisions is seriously misled. According to the House of Commons briefing paper, parliament’s role in ratifying treaties the process is as follows:

 

The government lays the treaty before parliament (i.e. makes it available to MPs and Peers to inspect). If, after 21 days of parliament sitting, there is not resolution passed against the treaty, it shall be automatically ratified.

 

If the House of Lords passes a resolution against the treaty, but not the Commons, the government may ratify regardless, after making a statement outlining its reasons for pressing ahead.

 

If the Commons passes a resolution against the treaty, a further 21 days is triggered during which ratification cannot be achieved. The Commons may pass further motions against ratification to repeat the 21 day requirement.

 

In effect this means that the House of Commons has no power to vote to stop CETA, only to pause it for 21 business days of parliament. To permanently stop CETA, the Commons will have to vote to do so every month. Indefinitely. This system will stand for treaties and trade deals, before and after Brexit. That’s why we need some serious reforms to trade democracy in the UK.

 

Is this what they mean by taking back control?

[retep]

convenience for who?

 

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how do you think the CETA deal will be different to the dozens which liam fox will be signing?

 

Not the UK.

[Car Boot]

http://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2017/may/25/what-happens-next-ceta

 

And then there’s the UK

 

Anyone imagining the UK parliament is ‘taking back control’ of trade policy decisions is seriously misled. According to the House of Commons briefing paper, parliament’s role in ratifying treaties the process is as follows:

 

The government lays the treaty before parliament (i.e. makes it available to MPs and Peers to inspect). If, after 21 days of parliament sitting, there is not resolution passed against the treaty, it shall be automatically ratified.

 

If the House of Lords passes a resolution against the treaty, but not the Commons, the government may ratify regardless, after making a statement outlining its reasons for pressing ahead.

 

If the Commons passes a resolution against the treaty, a further 21 days is triggered during which ratification cannot be achieved. The Commons may pass further motions against ratification to repeat the 21 day requirement.

 

In effect this means that the House of Commons has no power to vote to stop CETA, only to pause it for 21 business days of parliament. To permanently stop CETA, the Commons will have to vote to do so every month. Indefinitely. This system will stand for treaties and trade deals, before and after Brexit. That’s why we need some serious reforms to trade democracy in the UK.

 

Is this what they mean by taking back control?

 

Thank you.

 

You have revealed just how powerless, how impotent our 45 year membership of the EU bosses club has rendered us.

 

A very compelling reason to Leave.

[chalga]

Thank you.

 

You have revealed just how powerless, how impotent our 45 year membership of the EU bosses club has rendered us.

 

A very compelling reason to Leave.

 

It's describing how the UK system works,not the EU,the UK are free to not ratify CETA whenever they want,as are the rest of the EU.

[altus]

Not the UK.

Nonsense - Brexit exemption sought for Grimsby seafood trade.

 

You're going to have to justify your claim that it's a flag of convenience for someone other than the UK.

[Car Boot]

It's describing how the UK system works,not the EU,the UK are free to not ratify CETA whenever they want,as are the rest of the EU.

 

The EU’s anti-democratic structures mean that it can apply the content of CETA to member states on a provisional basis already - without worrying about any accountability to the people of Europe.

 

The EU is a bosses front. Smash the EU!

[chalga]

The EU’s anti-democratic structures mean that it can apply the content of CETA to member states on a provisional basis already - without worrying about any accountability to the people of Europe.

 

The EU is a bosses front. Smash the EU!

 

What have the UK done so far to not ratify it?

[RJRB]

“Down with the bosses”

Let’s all go self employed or unemployed.

[I1L2T3]

I’d be more worried about CETA and TTIP style deals being signed more quickly and with worse terms for us outside of the EU.

 

CETA currently has numerous issues and is still not ratified, and also benefits from the scrutiny of 28 countries.

 

On our own we’d be totally screwed over by bigger economies. It would be far from an independent future.