retep Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Most likely a healthy vote to remain. Most studies of those who didn't/couldn't vote put them in the remain camp and that is before you factor in the under 16's as in the Scottish independence referendum. I remember someone saying at the time that it is easy to stir people up to vote against something. Much harder to stir people to to enthuse about something which is rightly or wrongly not massively loved, even by remainers. I certainly have no love for the EU but it has largely been a force for good and in 2016 it made no economic sense whatever way you looked at it for the UK to withdraw. In fact going back to your initial point, I would go further than a compulsory vote and have made the result compulsory but only as long as there was a quadruple lock on the result, ie. it would have to have produced a simple majority in ALL FOUR constituents of the United Kingdom. Despite Brexiteers screaming and shouting 'we won the vote!' and 'respect the will of the people!', the WHOLE of the United Kingdom is being dragged into this madness by a slender majority made up of English and a handful of Welsh votes. Really, https://www.westmonster.com/tony-blairs-poll-shows-63-want-uk-leave-eu-whatever-cost-1/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) In fact going back to your initial point, I would go further than a compulsory vote and have made the result compulsory but only as long as there was a quadruple lock on the result, ie. it would have to have produced a simple majority in ALL FOUR constituents of the United Kingdom. Despite Brexiteers screaming and shouting 'we won the vote!' and 'respect the will of the people!', the WHOLE of the United Kingdom is being dragged into this madness by a slender majority made up of English and a handful of Welsh votes. Scotland and Northern Ireland are only in the EU because they are part of the United Kingdom. The quadruple lock idea was suggested by the SNP, but was rejected because it wouldn't have really been fair for the minority to prevent the wishes of the majority being carried out. The leave votes did include all those people in Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to leave, which was much more than a handful of people. Edited March 6, 2018 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Really, https://www.westmonster.com/tony-blairs-poll-shows-63-want-uk-leave-eu-whatever-cost-1/ Posting a link to a crank website is not the best way to advance an argument lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Posting a link to a crank website is not the best way to advance an argument lol They took it from Facebook seems he shot himself in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Despite Brexiteers screaming and shouting 'we won the vote!' and 'respect the will of the people!', the WHOLE of the United Kingdom is being dragged into this madness by a slender majority made up of English and a handful of Welsh votes. No, no, no. We are called the United Kingdom for a reason which is why the whole of the UK electorate were allowed to vote unconditionally on this issue. BTW could you answer why airlines not in the EASA are allowed to fly to and from EU countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Like that will happen, as apelike says what about all the other countries that fly to European countries, it was just scaremongering from the people that were pushing for people to vote remain. Both sides lied, neither knew for a fact what would happen. It probably won't happen but its not impossible. In a no deal situation then we leave both the air safety agency and the common air area. Until replacement agreements are negotiated then uk planes will not be allowed into eu airspace or us airspace since the treaty which allows this is related to the eu airspace agencies. Unless and until substitute agreements are made then the default situation is no flying. Airlines plan flights and sell tickets months in advance there will be a point where they will be unable to sell tickets because they won't be able to guarantee they will be able to fly with enough certainty to risk selling tickets. ---------- Post added 06-03-2018 at 22:18 ---------- No, no, no. We are called the United Kingdom for a reason which is why the whole of the UK electorate were allowed to vote unconditionally on this issue. BTW could you answer why airlines not in the EASA are allowed to fly to and from EU countries. Not all airlines are allowed too. There is a list if you look. There are reciprocal arrangements which ensure common standards and such like. Once out of the eu agency and common airspace we will have to negotiate such an agreement, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 If there's a 'no deal' Brexit, nobody will be flying anywhere other than within the UK. + you'll be needing an International Driving Permit:- http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-5463877/UK-driving-licences-not-recognised-EU-Brexit.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I suspect, given the importance of air, sea and rail travel - everything will remain very much as it is. How this is fudged, and I'm glad it's not my job to do it, is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 How about we all respect the referendum result and get on with our lives? It can't be healthy being unable to get past the 23 June 2016. As David Davis said "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Not all airlines are allowed too. There is a list if you look. There are reciprocal arrangements which ensure common standards and such like. Once out of the eu agency and common airspace we will have to negotiate such an agreement, Indeed, and of course, setting all this up will cost considerably more than just staying within EASA and remaining subject to the ECJ. Meanwhile, the consequences for the NHS continue to mount.... Brain prize winner calls Brexit a 'disaster' for the NHS and science:- https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/06/brain-prize-winner-calls-brexit-a-disaster-for-the-nhs-and-science A predicted exodus of European doctors, nurses and care workers following Brexit will be disastrous for Alzheimer’s patients and their families Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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