Top Cats Hat Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 BTW could you answer why airlines not in the EASA are allowed to fly to and from EU countries. Because they belong to their own aviation safety organisations that are recognised by EASA and as already pointed out, some airlines are already banned from European airspace if their operations or maintenance standards fall below a threshold set by EASA. At the end of the day it will be the airlines' own insurance companies which will ground them. Once the UK ceases to be a member of an internationally recognised aviation safety organisation IT WILL BE ILLEGAL to fly in most international airspace and as such airlines will have no valid insurance. Another consequence of this is that without that insurance, they may also be prevented by IATA from selling any airline tickets. The Brexit crazies may bang on about how 'it won't happen' but if the UK leaves the EU and its organisations without a deal this is exactly what will happen! That is why Ryanair is stressing about it. Although an Irish registered business, they operate a ton of flights in and through the UK. In the event of a no deal Brexit, UK airspace will become effectively 'unregulated airspace' and as such, Ryanair and other airlines will not be insured to fly in, over or through it. There'll certainly be no need for a third runway at Heathrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Airplanes will fall out of the sky when we leave the EU. Hang on. Didn't the Millennium bug mention something similar? Another crazy doomsday prophecy that never happened. Just like the economy collapsing when we voted to Leave the Brussels big money club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) As David Davis said "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”. As pointed out before you need to put that quote in context, so I have abridged that bit: Quoted from David Davies speech: "Crucial to this principle of people power is the rule that a government cannot bind its successors. For example, if a party won an election promising to cut taxes, then it would have a mandate to do so. But if that party could then pass a law saying no government could ever raise taxes again, it would undermine the right of the electorate to change its mind in future. However, the EU has no such concept. What it has is the acquis communautaire, a doctrine which states that the powers the EU has acquired belong to the EU forever. This is not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic. Anti-democratic because through this doctrine the EU specifically seeks to bypass the views of voters. If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." Speech in full: http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-opportunities-for-a-referendum-on-europe/ ---------- Post added 07-03-2018 at 02:33 ---------- Once the UK ceases to be a member of an internationally recognised aviation safety organisation IT WILL BE ILLEGAL to fly in most international airspace and as such airlines will have no valid insurance. So all they have to do is join another aviation safety organisation then that is approved by EASA in the same way as non EU airlines do, simple.. Edited March 7, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 So all they have to do is join another aviation safety organisation then that is approved by EASA in the same way as non EU airlines do, simple.. Such as? The irony is that even if a negotiated Brexit means we remain in EASA, we will still be subject to the European Court of Justice but without any say over how it is run. That's why this whole Brexit thing is a nonsense. Like it or not we live in an integrated world and to disengage from it is not only going to be deeply damaging to our country's wellbeing but will also be impossible to administer. Like it or not, the Brextremists in government can scream and shout all they want but there are going to be all sorts of compromises made and it is still going to end up looking like a dogs dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Such as? The irony is that even if a negotiated Brexit means we remain in EASA, we will still be subject to the European Court of Justice but without any say over how it is run. That's why this whole Brexit thing is a nonsense. Like it or not we live in an integrated world and to disengage from it is not only going to be deeply damaging to our country's wellbeing but will also be impossible to administer. Like it or not, the Brextremists in government can scream and shout all they want but there are going to be all sorts of compromises made and it is still going to end up looking like a dogs dinner! We live in a global World in which international rules are agreed between nations whether they are are in the EU or not. There are international regulations at sea to prevent accidents, just like there are international regulations in the sky for the same reasons. Most countries in the World are not in the EU and they don't seem to have any problems in getting permission to fly their aeroplanes to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 We live in a global World in which international rules are agreed between nations whether they are are in the EU or not. There are international regulations at sea to prevent accidents, just like there are international regulations in the sky for the same reasons. Most countries in the World are not in the EU and they don't seem to have any problems in getting permission to fly their aeroplanes to other countries. EASA it is then,the UK still paying into it and crossing one of the Brexiters red lines by being part of the ECJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 As pointed out before you need to put that quote in context, so I have abridged that bit: Quoted from David Davies speech: "Crucial to this principle of people power is the rule that a government cannot bind its successors. For example, if a party won an election promising to cut taxes, then it would have a mandate to do so. But if that party could then pass a law saying no government could ever raise taxes again, it would undermine the right of the electorate to change its mind in future. However, the EU has no such concept. What it has is the acquis communautaire, a doctrine which states that the powers the EU has acquired belong to the EU forever. This is not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic. Anti-democratic because through this doctrine the EU specifically seeks to bypass the views of voters. If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." Speech in full: http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-mp-delivers-speech-on-the-opportunities-for-a-referendum-on-europe/ ---------- Post added 07-03-2018 at 02:33 ---------- So all they have to do is join another aviation safety organisation then that is approved by EASA in the same way as non EU airlines do, simple.. It’s good of you to provide some additional context, but as a standalone quote what Davis said is quite powerful. I’m sure even he would agree. After all what hard Brexiters are trying to achieve is a permanent irreversible exit from the EU. Pot. Kettle. Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 EASA it is then,the UK still paying into it and crossing one of the Brexiters red lines by being part of the ECJ. I am not an expert in organisations which govern flying. I haven't heard any Brexiters as you call them saying they want to prevent UK aeroplanes flying to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I am not an expert in organisations which govern flying. I haven't heard any Brexiters as you call them saying they want to prevent UK aeroplanes flying to other countries. I haven't heard Brexiters say that either,I haven't heard them say a lot of things,but I have heard them complain about giving money to the EU,and by having to take rules from the ECJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Airplanes will fall out of the sky when we leave the EU. Hang on. Didn't the Millennium bug mention something similar? Another crazy doomsday prophecy that never happened. . Only because a lot of money was spent fixing the bug in all sorts of software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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