carosio Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Remind me again who is going to suffer first and hardest under Brexit? And I must have got it wrong then, because all I heard on the economy during the campaign was about how big business was going to profit greatly from the relaxing of EU red tape governing workers' rights, disability rights and health and safety. Working time directives, minimum wage legislation and equal opportunities and disability legislation all came from Europe, many at great resistance from consecutive Tory governments. I will say it again, the leave movement originated from the far right libertarian wing of the Conservative Party and has always been led and bankrolled by millionaire businessmen. In what possible way could that be in the interest of the disadvantaged and vulnerable? Remember both Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn were never enthralled with the EU. The point leavers were making is that the legislation should be made here by the government of choice. If voters, such as yourself, choose a Labour government, then they will introduce legislation that they see fit or at least was in the UK Labour manifesto, likewise a Conservative government. In accepting the laws made by a supranational legislator is an admission that lawmaking in the UK can only be seen as inferior as compared with that made in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I will say it again, the leave movement originated from the far right libertarian wing of the Conservative Party and has always been led and bankrolled by millionaire businessmen. In what possible way could that be in the interest of the disadvantaged and vulnerable? If you think that, then you seriously need to give your head a wobble! You simply can't comprehend that the people at the bottom of society have enjoyed little, if any, benefit from the EU elite selfishly feathering their own nest while big business has been exploiting cheap migrant labour for huge profits. Goldman Sachs and the wealthy establishment hierarchy, claiming to know what is best for our interests, gave the poor a pat on the head and instructed them to vote for the status quo. It didn't work. If the EU was so loved and adored by the poor, and working for us all - not just the rich - we'd have voted to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The UK Minimum Wage certainly did not come from Europe! ---------- Post added 08-03-2018 at 15:52 ---------- How many of these laws came from Europe? The Old Age Pensions Act 1908. The National Insurance Act 1911. The Equal Pay Act 1970. The Sex Discrimination Act 1975. The Race Relations Act 1976. Disability Discrimination Act 1995. National Minimum Wage Act 1998. Answer: Not a single one. They came from democratically elected British governments, Liberal, Labour and even Conservative. So you admit then that even whilst in the EU we are able to produce laws of our own? So much for there being a federal superstate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The UK Minimum Wage certainly did not come from Europe! ---------- Post added 08-03-2018 at 15:52 ---------- How many of these laws came from Europe? The Old Age Pensions Act 1908. The National Insurance Act 1911. The Equal Pay Act 1970. The Sex Discrimination Act 1975. The Race Relations Act 1976. Disability Discrimination Act 1995. National Minimum Wage Act 1998. Answer: Not a single one. They came from democratically elected British governments, Liberal, Labour and even Conservative. No laws ever came from Europe. Directives come from Europe which we choose to incorporate into UK law to stay in the EU. Your argument is built on a faulty premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I will say it again, the leave movement originated from the far right libertarian wing of the Conservative Party and has always been led and bankrolled by millionaire businessmen. In what possible way could that be in the interest of the disadvantaged and vulnerable? The EU demands £2.7bn euros of 'unpaid customs duty' from UK, shocker. The likes of Mogg believes in totally free trade, maybe that is why they did nothing about this £$2.7 billion tax anomaly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43328398 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 No laws ever came from Europe. Directives come from Europe which we choose to incorporate into UK law to stay in the EU. Your argument is built on a faulty premise. Perhaps you should inform the Remain supporter 'Top Cats Hat' who claimed: Working time directives, minimum wage legislation and equal opportunities and disability legislation all came from Europe, I was merely responding to this contributors nonsense post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 No laws ever came from Europe. Directives come from Europe which we choose to incorporate into UK law to stay in the EU. Your argument is built on a faulty premise. More like faulty brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The UK Minimum Wage certainly did not come from Europe! ---------- Post added 08-03-2018 at 15:52 ---------- How many of these laws came from Europe? The Old Age Pensions Act 1908. The National Insurance Act 1911. The Equal Pay Act 1970. The Sex Discrimination Act 1975. The Race Relations Act 1976. Disability Discrimination Act 1995. National Minimum Wage Act 1998. Answer: Not a single one. They came from democratically elected British governments, Liberal, Labour and even Conservative. Well, the first three pre-dated the UK's accession- so it's not too surprising that the EU wasn't involved! Oh, and all seven came from Parliament + Royal Assent. HMG itself does not 'make' laws at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The trouble is with a lot of this type of thing, who did what, its like i posted yesterday, it gets lost in the mists of time and gets confusing with who did which bit. but then somebody posts it as "proof" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 You simply can't comprehend that the people at the bottom of society have enjoyed little, if any, benefit from the EU elite I agree, they may have been but people at the bottom of society as you call it, would have been much worse off if the UK hadn't been part of the EU. UK workers are below the EU average in terms of health, wealth, employment rights, working hours, cost of living and housing because we live in a system where successive governments both Labour and Tory have put the interests of the wealthy and privileged above those of everyone else. This will be borne out when those first to suffer from withdrawing from the EU are the weakest and poorest in our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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