The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[melthebell]

Things cannot be proceeding as you had hoped.

 

i keep asking that and not one will fully and truthfully answer

[retep]

you dont use any utilities, businesses or shops in the uk then?

 

 

Obviously some things are beyond you.

 

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May is the leader of the Brexitina brigade which as a firm remainer,is slightly more reasonable and pragmatic than the hard Brexit stance adopted by some.

So with the way that things are shaping up who do you hard liners wish was in charge of our negotiations?

Things cannot be proceeding as you had hoped.

I see a few political careers heading for a fall.

 

I see more than a few at the next elections.

[melthebell]

Obviously some things are beyond you.

What like nasty foreigners running everything in our lives?

[apelike]

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£350 million a week for the NHS.......

 

But that was not promised to the individual though as post 7698 made out.

[truman]

Why would I, I'm not a quitter or a traitor, those who want a union with our so called friends are free to leave, why are you still here?

 

 

Are you calling all those who wanted to remain traitors? Good luck with having no dealings with the EU...I think you'll be sorely disappointed..

[Guest]

So, according to new deals, the current registration requirements for Croatian workers will expire on 30 June bringing their rights to work in Britain in line with other EU citizens.

 

Not that will make any significant difference, because majority of Croats already went for Ireland and there are around 5000 of us in UK, I am just putting that here for info because, there is no a single word about that in UK media.

Not, even, which is a really strange, usual The Sun, express articles "they are coming over here taking xxxxx..."

[Obelix]

But that was not promised to the individual though as post 7698 made out.

 

I think you will find it was we were all promised that it was written on the side of a bus so it must be true. Your Farage guy said so.

[Fogey]

When I mentioned "more than half the country" in my previous post I was referring to those people who were eligible to vote and did indeed vote to Leave in the June 2016 referendum. I didn't believe that it would require any further explanation that I meant more than half of the electorate who voted as I foolishly presumed that I was communicating with politically aware adults. My mistake.

 

Foolish presumption, its a common trait amongst brexit voters......

 

The majority of the population voted to Leave. I do not include those who didn't, or couldn't vote, in that statement. Why would I?

 

The majority of the population didn't vote to leave, the majority of those that actually voted chose to vote to leave. There is a very big difference. Perhaps this kind of throwaway hyperbole is why leave voters have such a poor understanding of the EU, - they are literally not dealing with the statement of fact, just a sort of generic misleading incorrectness that reinforces their misunderstandings.

 

A majority of the voting population did indeed vote to Leave.

 

I think what you mean is that of those that voted, the majority voted to leave. It is an important difference.

 

When it comes to elections or referenda, this is the only population that counts. Why you are so concerned about those who decided not to exercise their right to vote, or were ineligible, is unclear. 52 per cent of voters backed Leave, a majority of the voting population.

 

I am concerned that you are misrepresenting the wishes or view of those that did not or could not vote, - in a vote, the winning side does not automatically get allocated the votes of those that did not vote for whatever reason.

 

For all you know every single person who did not/could not vote would rather stay in the EU. In that case the leave vote, although a majority of those who voted, would be a minority of the population and leave would be against the wishes of the people according to the language you are choosing to employ.

Edited March 22, 2018 by nikki-red

[retep]

I think you will find it was we were all promised that it was written on the side of a bus so it must be true. Your Farage guy said so.

 

No he didn't.

[Fogey]

When any newsreader announces that "the country has gone to the polls"' at the end of a general election or referendum campaign he or she doesn't actually mean that every living soul in the population has gone out and voted, including children and babies!

 

In the early hours of June 24, 2016 the BBC broadcaster David Dimbleby watching the results coming in from the EU referendum, stated:

 

“The people of Britain have spoken. We are out of the EU.”

 

Did he mean just the electorate who had voted in the referendum had spoken? Or was he referring to the entire people of Britain - including those not yet old enough to vote?

 

Remainers seem almost entirely devoid of common sense on this issue.

 

But since you're not challenging the figures, you accept that 74% of 'the people' of the UK did not vote to leave the EU.

 

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When you hear or read that the 'country has gone to the polls', or 'the country has spoken', in reference to elections or referenda, do you literally believe that every single individual (including babies) has gone out to vote?

 

Or could it be that what is actually meant is that those who are eligible to vote (and could be bothered to do so) have voted? And not the literal country or even half the literal country?

 

Think about it.

 

When you hear leave voters claim that we have no say over the forming of laws and rules in the EU and that it is undemocratic do you literally believe it or do you think they mean they resent they are not personally dictating the rules to suit themselves? Do you think that's why they democratically elected Nigel Farrage?

 

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No he didn't.

 

You're correct, it was the official leave campaign that made that claim, so it was literally an official leave lie.

 

Thanks for the opportunity to just clear up that point.