The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Flexo]

Rather have had Mogg the magnificent as home sec. A true Brexiteer.

 

He is indeed. Born wealthy, privately educated, hedge-fund manager. He and his wife have wealth of £100 million. It's only natural that he should want to help the wealthy classes to avoid a financial transaction tax and frustrate the EU attempts to reduce offshore tax evasion. A true Brexiteer.

 

“It was put to the chief whip that we would not stand for a financial transactions tax. We want to keep the City ahead of the rest of the EU,” the source added.

 

It follows calls by the European commission to open up an inquiry into British law to stop corporations from shifting profits to offshore subsidiaries.

 

Last week Rees-Mogg told parliament the EU might “find an incentive to move quite quickly” to legislate to regulate the City and impose a financial transactions tax.

 

The second phase of Brexit talks, which will begin in March, will be dominated by discussions over the transition period. The UK will continue to abide by EU law for roughly two years after leaving but not have a role in any decision-making institutions. The UK will leave the EU on 29 March next year.

 

The Labour party said last year it would raise at least £4.7bn a year through a new financial transaction tax.

 

Labour’s proposals are separate from the financial transactions tax being discussed by EU member states.

 

Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, promised a “reckoning” for those responsible for the financial crisis.

 

(The Guardian)

[Magilla]

How could parliament change a deal in Feb 2019, which has taken 2 years to achieve an agreement between the EU and the UK Government? Surely at that time there will be only two choices which are to support what the UK Government has negotiated with the EU or not support what has taken two years to negotiate, meaning the UK will leave the EU without a deal.

 

Parliament could force the government to go back and make concessions to secure a better deal, or force the government to secure CU/SM access, or any number of other options that will be clearer closer to that time.

 

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He is indeed. Born wealthy, privately educated, hedge-fund manager. He and his wife have wealth of £100 million. It's only natural that he should want to help the wealthy classes to avoid a financial transaction tax and frustrate the EU attempts to reduce offshore tax evasion. A true Brexiteer.

 

Quite, also, his constituancy voted overwhelmingly for remain!

Edited May 1, 2018 by Magilla

[Lockdoctor]

Parliament could force the government to go back and make concessions to secure a better deal, or force the government to secure CU/SM access, or any number of other options that will be clearer closer to that time

The UK people voted to leave the EU and the Government have already made it clear the UK are leaving the Customs Union and Single Market. At closer to the time any access, if mutually agreed, which respects the referendum result will have been sorted. Parliament will not be able to force the EU to change anything when everything will have been agreed with the UK Government at that time. 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'

[L00b]

The UK people voted to leave the EU and the Government have already made it clear the UK are leaving the Customs Union and Single Market. At closer to the time any access, if mutually agreed, which respects the referendum result will have been sorted. Parliament will not be able to force the EU to change anything when everything will have been agreed with the UK Government at that time. 'Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed'

Do you want to re-read yourself carefully? Because you just wrote a manifest for dictatorship

[Lockdoctor]

Do you want to re-read yourself carefully? Because you just wrote a manifest for dictatorship

Explain how I wrote a manifest for dictatorship when I effectively wrote any agreement has to respect the democratic referendum result?

[L00b]

Explain how I wrote a manifest for dictatorship when I effectively wrote any agreement has to respect the democratic referendum result?

By vindicating the arbitrary political choice of the government (leaving CU & SM) and conferring it exclusive capacity (i.e. without oversight or input from Parliament) to negotiate terms, in your post.

 

You basically rowed 100% back on the Supreme Court's finding that sovereignty lies exclusively with Parliament, it is not part-attributed or shared with the government in any way or form.

 

That is a dictatorship. May's, to be precise, since she's the head of the government. By design or accident, benevolent or not, matters not: a de facto dictatorship all the same.

 

You should want government brought to heel by Parliament. Whether you're biased one way or the other about Brexit. Because that order of things is the fundamental basis of your democracy. So say your 'constitution' (what Statutes & precedents pass for same, in the UK).

Edited May 1, 2018 by L00b

[Lockdoctor]

By vindicating the arbitrary political choice of the government (leaving CU & SM) and conferring it exclusive capacity (i.e. without oversight or input from Parliament) to negotiate terms, in your post.

 

You basically rowed 100% back on the Supreme Court's finding that sovereignty lies exclusively with Parliament, it is not part-attributed or shared with the government in any way or form.

 

That is a dictatorship. May's, to be precise, since she's the head of the government. By design or accident, benevolent or not, matters not: a de facto dictatorship all the same.

 

You should want government brought to heel by Parliament. Whether you're biased one way or the other about Brexit. Because that order of things is the fundamental basis of your democracy. So say your 'constitution' (what Statutes & precedents pass for same, in the UK).

 

Two of the main irritations of the people who voted to leave the EU were freedom of movement of people and the UK not being free to negotiate their own trade agreements with countries outside of the EU. The UK Government are respecting the input of the democratic people who voted to leave the EU by making it clear the UK are leaving the CU and SM. The UK people were asked to make a decision about whether the UK should leave or remain in the EU rather than Parliament. What is dictatorship in my opinion is if Parliament ignore the wishes of the people who voted to leave the EU and attempt to have their own personal wishes forced on the Government regarding the CU and SM. I voted to Remain in the EU and am not biased at all, just a fair person who respects the democratic wishes of the people, who were in the majority and voted for the alternative choice to me.

[Magilla]

The UK people voted to leave the EU and the Government have already made it clear the UK are leaving the Customs Union and Single Market.

 

The referendum wasn't about the CU & SM. Staying within them will entirely respect the vote in the referendum.

 

At closer to the time any access, if mutually agreed, which respects the referendum result will have been sorted.

 

Staying in the CU and/or the SM entirely respects the result of the referendum. They were some of the options touted by the leave side during it.

 

Parliament will not be able to force the EU to change anything when everything will have been agreed with the UK Government at that time.

 

The details of any deal will need to be known well before any deadline to allow time for the EU27 to ratify it, so there will be plenty of time for parliament to have its say. Ultimately, the UK government will fold in any negotiations as exit becomes closer. I doubt we'll have to *force* the EU to do anything.

 

 

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Two of the main irritations of the people who voted to leave the EU were freedom of movement of people and the UK not being free to negotiate their own trade agreements with countries outside of the EU. The UK Government are respecting the input of the democratic people who voted to leave the EU by making it clear the UK are leaving the CU and SM.

 

Revisionist notions based on keeping the Tory party in one piece, it's not hard to find prominent leavers extolling the virtues of the Norway option during the referendum.

 

If the Norway option was great and acceptable to leavers during the referendum, why not now?

 

There is no mandate for a hard, no deal Brexit without going back to the electorate and asking them. It won't take much for things to get much worse for the average person in the UK and that tends to start the process of re-evaluation of priorities, so ultimately government might have to do just that.

 

Growth last quarter down to 0.1%

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43919094

Underemployment skyrocketing

http://uk.businessinsider.com/ons-un...nt-rate-2017-9

 

Even the transition isn't a given as yet, there's still this "regulatory fallback option" issue that the DUP could bring the government down over.

 

Literally anything could happen between now and when we leave that could have significant effects on how we leave.

 

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You should want government brought to heel by Parliament. Whether you're biased one way or the other about Brexit. Because that order of things is the fundamental basis of your democracy. So say your 'constitution' (what Statutes & precedents pass for same, in the UK).

 

Parliament should have always been calling the shots in this matter, that is afterall "taking back control".

 

This change is ensuring leavers fulfil the promises they made to the British public during the referendum. I can see why Liam Fox isn't so keen now.

 

I do find it quite amusing that the very people who spent most of 2016 droning on about the supremacy of UK Parliamentary & Judicial sovereignty are now not so keen on it.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Magilla

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Now I have to ask what planet are you living on?

 

The minimum wage gives an absolute bare minimum income to workers. It DOES NOT give a decent living to those who barely survive on it.

 

Raising the minimum wage to £10 an hour (for EVERYONE, regardless of age) is more genuinely reflective of a real living wage.

 

Your words make you appear to be an apologist for the bosses in their aim to keep more of their profits to themselves and away from the people who create those profits - the workers. You certainly know your place.

Who actually funds the NMW? Not HMG but employers- so ultimately it's the customers.

[Car Boot]

Then the penny may finally drop that the UK already has the optimal situation and that people have just been lied to by billionaire newspaper owners who want to avoid EU attempts to crack down on offshore tax avoidance.

 

It's a good job an independent post-Brexit UK is to introduce public ownership registers for overseas territories to stem the flow of dirty money then.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/01/uk-to-introduce-public-ownership-registers-for-overseas-territories

 

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He is indeed. Born wealthy, privately educated, hedge-fund manager. He and his wife have wealth of £100 million. It's only natural that he should want to help the wealthy classes to avoid a financial transaction tax and frustrate the EU attempts to reduce offshore tax evasion. A true Brexiteer.

 

The Eton educated Hereditary Peer Viscount Hailsham, who as an MP charged the taxpayer to clean the moat at his Kettlethorpe Hall manor house and submitted extensive expenses for the upkeep of his vast country estate, has successfully added amendments to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill in the House of Lords in a desperate attempt by the privileged class, the ruling elite, to overturn democracy and reverse the result of the June 2016 referendum.

 

The plans are contained in his amendments to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. New clause (NC50) asks for a second EU referendum. New Clause 49 (NC49) allows for the House of Lords to delay, frustrate and ultimately reverse Brexit. The amendments were passed by 335 votes to 244. If it is not overturned by the Commons, we will lose the option of walking away with no deal - meaning Britain may never leave the EU at all.

 

Lord Hailsham during his time as an MP in a safe seat also charged the taxpayer for piano tuning, a mole catcher, work to be carried out on his stables and for maintenance on his Aga. Born to nobility, privately educated and firmly believing that the poor should contribute to the lifestyle of the wealthy. A true Remainer.