The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[melthebell]

government now finding a dubious way of getting more money from people, all motor way speed limit now turn on, even when there is free flow of traffic, speed limit are reduced to get more speeding ticket

 

this because of brexit? Oo

[L00b]

He’s as much right as anyone else to comment, and if the British people change their mind and have a chance to say so, then so be it. Can’t see it happening though.

Doesn’t make a blind bit of difference either way, the way it’s being planned/reported. A second Brexit referendum "within a year" is too late. That referendum would have to be held early enough to allow the Art 50 notice to be revoked (if that's what the referndum outcome mandates, and the EU is agreeable) well before the end of March 2019.

 

Without grass roots and cross-party support, less than not a chance. Ain’t going to happen, millions thrown at it or not.

 

The UK needs strong leadership to lay out the key facts to the public, to dispense with the soundbites and the internal party pitch battles, and clearly present to the UK public exactly what Brexit means, more that simply “Brexit means Brexit”.

 

Notwithstanding that this is what the campaigns should have run on before June 2016: lay out the expected impact in real, quantified terms over timescales. Year 1, Year 2, effect on services, effect on taxes etc, etc.

 

Sure, there may be a brilliant free trade future ahead; but this is what the next few years are going to look like. If May states that, then continues on, or cancels Brexit, then at least she will have shown that she made the decision, and not continue to use the excuse that she is simply doing ‘what the people told her to do’.

 

Clearly reminding that May’s red lines, which have caused and continue to cause the brunt of the negotiating friction and stalemating with the EU, were first expressed 7 months after the referendum, so as a government choice rather than the ‘will of the people’, wouldn’t go amiss either.

Edited May 30, 2018 by L00b

[Magilla]

EU van driver utterly destroys Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Brexit bluster with firsthand experience:

https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/

 

Rather amusing, I think we're going to start seeing more of this sort of thing, Mogg has no answers to anything other than "cross your fingers and hope for the best" and it's starting to show... badly.

[melthebell]

EU van driver utterly destroys Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Brexit bluster with firsthand experience:

https://evolvepolitics.com/watch-knowledgeable-eu-van-driver-utterly-destroys-jacob-rees-moggs-brexit-bluster-with-firsthand-experience-video/

 

Rather amusing, I think we're going to start seeing more of this sort of thing, Mogg has no answers to anything other than "cross your fingers and hope for the best" and it's starting to show... badly.

this bit says it all

and showed Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Brexit rhetoric to be nothing more than over-simplified, wholly misleading bluster

[L00b]

Rather amusing, I think we're going to start seeing more of this sort of thing, Mogg has no answers to anything other than "cross your fingers and hope for the best" and it's starting to show... badly.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we’ve seen mountains of this sort of thing for over 2 years now, and the pro-Brexit brigade has a name of convenience for it: Project Fear (dontchaknow )

 

No amount of fact, experience and common sense is going to make any difference. Around 5 months to the end game, about 300 days to the actual exit, with the chances of a no-deal standing at their strongest yet. Brexiteers should be cheering to the rafters, really.

[El Cid]

No amount of fact, experience and common sense is going to make any difference. Around 5 months to the end game, about 300 days to the actual exit, with the chances of a no-deal standing at their strongest yet. Brexiteers should be cheering to the rafters, really.

 

A no deal is what people are afraid of.

 

Extending the Article 50 period would keep the options open, but it would require the unanimous approval of all the member states

[melthebell]

A no deal is what people are afraid of.

except the hardcore who are willing it to happen

[ENG601PM]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we’ve seen mountains of this sort of thing for over 2 years now, and the pro-Brexit brigade has a name of convenience for it: Project Fear (dontchaknow )

 

No amount of fact, experience and common sense is going to make any difference. Around 5 months to the end game, about 300 days to the actual exit, with the chances of a no-deal standing at their strongest yet. Brexiteers should be cheering to the rafters, really.

 

Oh give over, Project Fear is being rerun time and time again, in face of all the actual facts - that not a single prediction has come true, except maybe the one that the EU will make it as difficult as possible for the UK to leave.

 

Only the other day we have Carney inventing pretend numbers from pre referendum forecasts using guessed data for scenarios that have not happened. £900 indeed.

 

Some people really believe this nonsense, and the uncertainty it's causing is simply making a hard Brexit more and more likely by the day. You're going to suffer the law of unintended consequences.

[Top Cats Hat]

except the hardcore who are willing it to happen

 

I'm not sure even the most hardcore of Brextremists realise the full impact of a no deal.

 

They are so entrenched in shouting 'project fear' at any suggestions as to how damaging a no deal outcome is, that they've no idea about the realities. Just one example is the Ryanair's warning to its passengers that tickets sold for flights within the UK may have to be cancelled post Brexit. This is not as a result of Michael O'Leary's stated opposition to Brexit but because Ryanair's lawyers have told them that they will not be insured to fly in UK airspace once the UK was no longer a member of IATA.

 

It is even worse for UK registered airlines as they will not be legally allowed to fly anywhere in the world* and probably not even insured to fly within the UK.

 

The great irony of this is that short of spending 5-10 years creating our own aviation authority and then having our aircraft certification approved worldwide, we will have to leave and rejoin IATA as an associate member which will leave us still subject to the European Court of Justice with no say over decisions. Something that the Brextremists promised us would end with Brexit!

 

(* except to a handful of third world countries and only then if they can get there via uncontrolled airspace)

[ENG601PM]

I'm not sure even the most hardcore of Brextremists realise the full impact of a no deal.

 

They are so entrenched in shouting 'project fear' at any suggestions as to how damaging a no deal outcome is, that they've no idea about the realities. Just one example is the Ryanair's warning to its passengers that tickets sold for flights within the UK may have to be cancelled post Brexit. This is not as a result of Michael O'Leary's stated opposition to Brexit but because Ryanair's lawyers have told them that they will not be insured to fly in UK airspace once the UK was no longer a member of IATA.

 

It is even worse for UK registered airlines as they will not be legally allowed to fly anywhere in the world* and probably not even insured to fly within the UK.

 

The great irony of this is that short of spending 5-10 years creating our own aviation authority and then having our aircraft certification approved worldwide, we will have to leave and rejoin IATA as an associate member which will leave us still subject to the European Court of Justice with no say over decisions. Something that the Brextremists promised us would end with Brexit!

 

(* except to a handful of third world countries and only then if they can get there via uncontrolled airspace)

 

Amusingly you just picked a topic I know a little more than most about and you got barely a single thing right. I think you might have spelled O'Leary's name correctly.