The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[ez8004]

Thought EURATOM was settled by this, unless your education tells you better,

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/media/24079/070329_uk_letter_tusk_art50.pdf

 

 

We can give them their nuclear waste back, it may keep them warm for a bit.

 

My education is obviously superior to yours since you raised it . The issues with EURATOM has not been resolved. Not even close.

 

In fact the government has been defeated TWICE in the House of Lords over the issue back in March.

[andyofborg]

I have as much influence as to what comes next as you have,

 

join the campaign for a referendum on the final deal then you will have some influence on what comes next

 

our existing relationship with the EU is we give them everything and receive nothing.

 

now you are being silly because you know that isn't true.

[retep]

It’s not just the almost half of trade with the EU, it’s also the trade agreements the EU has with other countries.

 

The EU facilitates probably 60-70% of our trade.

 

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How do we return nuclear waste?

 

Serious question.

 

Not really a sensible threat is it.

 

The same way as we recieved it.

 

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My education is obviously superior to yours since you raised it . The issues with EURATOM has not been resolved. Not even close.

 

In fact the government has been defeated TWICE in the House of Lords over the issue back in March.

 

 

In which case my education is at least as good as yours, and probably a bit better as the government are thinking along the same lines.

 

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join the campaign for a referendum on the final deal then you will have some influence on what comes next

 

 

 

now you are being silly because you know that isn't true.

 

You may not have noticed there was a referendum you lost get over it.

[I1L2T3]

The same way as we recieved it.

 

 

You haven’t thought this through have you?

[retep]

You haven’t thought this through have you?

 

Have you,

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/19/uk-threatens-to-return-radioactive-waste-to-eu-without-nuclear-deal

[I1L2T3]

Have you,

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/19/uk-threatens-to-return-radioactive-waste-to-eu-without-nuclear-deal

 

There’s nothing in that article that explains how doing that would be in any way practical.

 

You can’t just sail a ship full of plutonium into the sovereign waters of another country without permission.

 

Anybody who things you can is an idiot. If we tried it we’d become international pariahs.

 

It is not a sensible threat.

 

The biggest threat we have is not sending the stuff back, but not accepting any more.

[Lockdoctor]

Easy solution, leave and pay nothing. Go onto WTO and chuff the corrupt EU.

 

Angel1.

I agree with your sentiments. The UK's approach should be a take it or leave it offer to the EU for continued free trade on all goods and services. This is a generous offer given the fact the EU exports more goods and services to the UK than the UK exports to the EU. Any payments the UK make to the EU should only be in the form of contributions for joint projects such as scientific projects and security projects, which is for the benefit of everyone. We shouldn't care about the rights of EU people living in the EU or UK people living in the EU. Nobody put a gun to a UK person's head and made them live across the English Channel.

 

It's irrelevant to the democratic process whether the UK's economy is worse or better off after leaving the EU.

[Magilla]

Revealed: plans for Doomsday Brexit

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-plans-for-doomsday-no-deal-brexit-02mld2jg2

 

Britain would be hit with shortages of medicine, fuel and food within a fortnight if the UK tries to leave the European Union without a deal, according to a Doomsday Brexit scenario drawn up by senior civil servants for David Davis.

 

Whitehall has begun contingency planning for the port of Dover to collapse “on day one” if Britain crashes out of the EU, leading to critical shortages of supplies.

 

Last month officials in Davis’s Brexit department and the departments of health and transport drew up scenarios for a no-deal Brexit — a mild one, a severe one and one dubbed “Armageddon”.

 

A source said: “In the second scenario, not even the worst, the port of Dover will collapse on day one. The supermarkets in Cornwall and Scotland will run out of food within a couple of days, and hospitals will run out of medicines within two weeks.”

 

Officials would have to charter aircraft, or use the RAF to ferry supplies to the furthest corners of the UK. “You would have to medevac medicine into Britain, and at the end of week two we would be running out of petrol as well,” the source said.

 

Concern about chaos at Dover was behind a decision by Highways England to announce plans last month to build “one or more lorry holding areas” in Kent “to reduce the congestion caused by cross-Channel disruption”.

 

It is understood that the papers were prepared for the so-called Inter-Ministerial Group on Preparedness, which meets weekly when parliament is sitting. One official said the scenarios are so explosive they have only been shared with a handful of ministers and are “locked in a safe”.

 

A spokesman for the Brexit department confirmed the discussions had taken place, but said it was “completely false” that the doomsday scenario would unfold: “A significant amount of work and decision-making has gone into our no-deal plans, especially where it relates to ports, and we know that none of this would come to pass.”

 

But the details were leaked by officials who believe Brexiteers are still too bullish about the prospect of walking away and trading on World Trade Organisation terms.

 

Brexiteers accused the civil service of peddling a new version of “Project Fear”. Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, said: “They are frozen in the headlights. They should be planning for what happens if there is no deal, not scaring the pants off each other. We need people with imagination and courage, not frightened rabbits.”

 

The government has said it would in effect throw open Britain’s borders in the event of a no-deal Brexit. But officials fear the EU, particularly the French, would not do the same.

 

A senior official said: “We are entirely dependent on Europe reciprocating our posture that we will do nothing to impede the flow of goods into the UK. If, for whatever reason, Europe decides to slow that supply down, then we’re screwed.”

[ez8004]

In which case my education is at least as good as yours, and probably a bit better as the government are thinking along the same lines.

 

So the EURATOM issue hasn’t been resolved then as you have claimed. So you are wrong again.

[retep]

So the EURATOM issue hasn’t been resolved then as you have claimed. So you are wrong again.

 

There's nothing to resolve.

 

Near enough as matters, From the Prime Minister,

 

"Today, therefore, I am writing to give effect to the democratic decision of the people of the United Kingdom. I hereby notify the European Council inaccordance with Article 50(2) of the Treaty on European Union of the United

Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the European Union. In addition, in

accordance with the same Article 50(2) as applied by Article 106a of the

Treaty Establishing the European Atomic Energy Community, I hereby notify

the European Council of the United Kingdom's intention to withdraw from the

European Atomic Energy Community. References in this letter to the European Union should therefore be taken to include a reference to the European Atomic Energy Community."