Top Cats Hat Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 British public now wants a soft Brexit http://uk.businessinsider.com/norway-style-soft-brexit-most-popular-outcome-among-british-people-opinium-poll-2018-6 Oh dear! How do the Brextremists shouting 'it's the will of the people' square that with the fact that only 8% of people surveyed believe that a hard Brexit is an acceptable outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Oh dear! How do the Brextremists shouting 'it's the will of the people' square that with the fact that only 8% of people surveyed believe that a hard Brexit is an acceptable outcome? *cue jackboots steaming into the thread shouting the likes of its a lie, polls arent real, only a few people got asked etc etc etc* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yet another poll showing what everyone already knows... British public now wants a soft Brexit http://uk.businessinsider.com/norway-style-soft-brexit-most-popular-outcome-among-british-people-opinium-poll-2018-6 According to a sample of just 2008 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obelix Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Yawn. A load of might, maybe, could, may and what ifs. A few worst case scenarios jotted down on a fag packet nicely packaged up, dramatised and splashed all over the font page to sell more copies. Remember in the 70s when nuclear armageddon was going to happen and we were all going to die except for a handful of civil servants in a underground bunker. For those unfortunate survivors there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... And we had detente and the SALT treaties and it still cost us a lot of GDP and we spent ridiculous amounts on defence... Remember the 80s when the industrial strikes were sure to grind Britain to a halt and everything involved with goverment was absolutely positively going to fall apart leading to chaos with not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... And we sorted that by passing legislation and curbing the excesses of the unions and even so, we had power cuts, and riots (Orgreave..?) and food was a bit scarce for striking miners and those who depended on their spending power.. Remember the 90s when the age of the microchip was going to turn and kill us all due to the millenium bug. Planes were going to fall out of the sky, hospitals were going to stop functioning, all modern infrastructure and supply was going to collapse and there would be not enough food, no power, deadly riots on the streets...... ...and we sorted that by fixing the problems and making sure the code wouldnt fail. Or we just grounded all the aircraft over the new year... Remember in the 00s when the middle east all kicked off again. Oil was going to stop flowing, our infrastructure was not going to be able to cope, supplies were going to run out, operations would cease to happen and there would be not enough food, no power, riots on the streets...... This was never an issue. We just expected to pay a bit more for oil, and we were happy to do that because electric cars are coming along nicely. Then we figured out how to use shale gas and oil properly and increased supply considerably. In each of these scenarios we had a clear way out to fix things. So whats the plan to fix Brexit? Still not seen one yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 According to a sample of just 2008 people. *ticks 1 off his list* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 i voted remain, and i'm increasingly of the opinion that we should have a hard brexit. so we can really see what a terrible idea it is. a soft-brexit will give the kippers wriggle-room to say that everything's gone to pot because we didn't do it properly. 5 to 10 to 20 years of being the one-legged man in the bum-kicking contest of international trade *might* be enough to convince us to do Europe properly, like grown ups. Not the privileged, noisy, lying, whiny little kids we have been. That’s long been my belief, also. The U.K. needs this formative experience to cast the last remains of nativist imperialism from its political system and collective psyche; plus -if we’re going to dream, let’s dream big- deep and comprehensive constitutional reform which is a good century or longer overdue. It needs to learn that it’s no more special than its peers, at the coal face. Because telling it and proving it, like countries’ Premiers and Barnier have been doing since late 2016, clearly isn’t doing the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 According to a sample of just 2008 people. And your point is? Without getting involved with standard deviations and critical values a usual margin of error is in the order of 4%. Let's double that to 8%, no let's make it a round 10% and make that all in favour of the Brextremists that still leaves less than 9% of the population supporting a hard Brexit. So I ask again. How is a hard Brexit reflecting the will of the people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 How is a hard Brexit reflecting the will of the people?You are aware that the longer the U.K. government’s indecision endures, the less options, power and say the U.K. people have in the matter, regardless of their majority preference, right? An inability to consider (or wilful denial about) the power positions of overseas stakeholders has been one of the fundamental issues in the whole Brexit affair: you can for instance expect Ireland to use its veto (meaning a hard Brexit for the U.K.) if any U.K.-EU agreement were to effectively result in a physical border in Ireland. For them, the outcome would be the same (a physical border would definitely arise in case of no deal), so they’d have nothing to lose taking the U.K. out and onto WTO rules. Then there’s Spain and Gib’ (in case anyone here let their eyes off that particular ball, since it’s not been in the news for a good while). And there’s more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 And your point is? Without getting involved with standard deviations and critical values a usual margin of error is in the order of 4%. Let's double that to 8%, no let's make it a round 10% and make that all in favour of the Brextremists that still leaves less than 9% of the population supporting a hard Brexit. So I ask again. How is a hard Brexit reflecting the will of the people? You don't seriously think that this opinion poll is indicative of how the British public will vote, do you? It is simply propaganda. Most people lead busy lives and don't have any in-depth knowledge of the political and economic matters involved. So they will end up giving almost any answer just to complete the survey and get it over and done with. When people are informed that remaining in the EU means staying in Thatcher's cherished Single Market and keeping freedom of movement to ensure mass immigration and low wages for the workers and huge salaries and big profits for the bosses then they soon change their mind. We don't need a hard Brexit. We don't need a soft Brexit. We absolutely need a FULL Brexit. Let's leave the inbuilt austerity and competition of the EU and build something better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 You don't seriously think that this opinion poll is indicative of how the British public will vote, do you? It is simply propaganda. Most people lead busy lives and don't have any in-depth knowledge of the political and economic matters involved. So they will end up giving almost any answer just to complete the survey and get it over and done with. When people are informed that remaining in the EU means staying in Thatcher's cherished Single Market and keeping freedom of movement to ensure mass immigration and low wages for the workers and huge salaries and big profits for the bosses then they soon change their mind. We don't need a hard Brexit. We don't need a soft Brexit. We absolutely need a FULL Brexit. Let's leave the inbuilt austerity and competition of the EU and build something better. Talking of propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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