The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[Top Cats Hat]

You don't seriously think that this opinion poll is indicative of how the British public will vote, do you?

 

It's not meant to be. It is simply an indication of what people think of the various options and shows hardly any support for a hard Brexit.

 

What do you think is the difference between a full Brexit and a hard Brexit? To me a full Brexit is any outcome where the UK is not subject to the ECJ. That means no associate membership of many EU bodies (EASA and Euratom to name just two)

 

Even leaving those two bodies means all our aircraft are grounded (and stops planes flying into the UK) and we will very soon lose access to many radioisotopes needed for X-rays and body scans. To me, the impact of that alone puts it into the category of a hard Brexit.

 

Anyone who thinks every UK can survive in isolation in 2019 is completely deluded and as time goes on more and more people are realising that.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Remind us: do non-EU planes fly into the EU and the UK?

[A: Yes.]

[Flexo]

Yes planes will eventually be able to fly in and out of UK airspace when we replace the Open Skies with something else - at huge expense and for no obvious benefit.

 

Michael O’Leary, chief executive of Ryanair, whose current ownership structure would also see it classified as a non-EU controlled airline after Brexit, is predicting “a real crisis” in April 2019. “There will be disruption, partly because it is in the interests of the Germans and the French to push the ownership agenda”.

 

What do the Germans think? Carsten Spohr, boss of Lufthansa, made a pointedly political intervention. Flight disruption, he said, was one of the ways the airline industry could show the Brits the full consequences of the Leave vote and “that might be a good thing”.

 

“It’s only when you get to that stage [disruption], where you’re going to persuade the average British voter they were lied to in the entire Brexit debate”, added Mr O’Leary.

 

Source: Financial Times, 7 March 2018

[altus]

Remind us: do non-EU planes fly into the EU and the UK?

[A: Yes.]

How may EU27 planes fly through UK airspace (and can't be economically routed round) to get to non-EU destinations?

 

How may UK planes fly through EU27 airspace (and can't be economically routed round) to get to non-EU destinations?

[Top Cats Hat]

Remind us: do non-EU planes fly into the EU and the UK?

[A: Yes.]

 

Yes, under the control of the National Air Traffic Services (NATS Holdings) which is part of an integrated European air traffic control system. It is also a member of at least two air traffic control bodies, one of which comes under the European Commission.

 

It will be one almighty mess to untangle from all that, not helped by the fact that that modern air traffic control is heavily reliant on an integrated computer and GPS system. Until this is done, it is unlikely that any airline non-EU or otherwise will be able to safely (or legally) use UK airspace.

[Bob Arctor]

You don't seriously think that this opinion poll is indicative of how the British public will vote, do you?

 

It is simply propaganda. Most people lead busy lives and don't have any in-depth knowledge of the political and economic matters involved. So they will end up giving almost any answer just to complete the survey and get it over and done with.

 

When people are informed that remaining in the EU means staying in Thatcher's cherished Single Market and keeping freedom of movement to ensure mass immigration and low wages for the workers and huge salaries and big profits for the bosses then they soon change their mind.

 

We don't need a hard Brexit. We don't need a soft Brexit. We absolutely need a FULL Brexit. Let's leave the inbuilt austerity and competition of the EU and build something better.

 

Erm, doesn't that rather invalidate the referendum?

[hackey lad]

Erm, doesn't that rather invalidate the referendum?

 

No , the people were asked whether they wanted to remain or leave

[L00b]

Parts made in the UK will no longer be counted as EU parts after Brexit (for cars to count towards EU Free Trade deals, approx 55% of the parts must come from the EU).

 

From the Sky News website

 

Potentially a big blow for the UK car industry.

 

Meanwhile, the UK Carer's industry could experience another blow on a similar scale, due to the number of EU nationals who care for the UK's elderly and infirm:

The end of EU free movement because of Brexit risks exacerbating the crisis in social care and causing a “domino effect” in the sector, new research has warned.

 

The services, which face growing demand because of an ageing population, currently have a deficit of 90,000 staff vacancies – with charities increasingly hiring skilled EU nationals to fill posts.

 

But 87 per cent of all EU charity workers employed in social care would not meet the conditions for work visas currently imposed on non-EU nationals, the study by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) found, leaving charities “facing a perfect storm of high employee churn, skills shortages, low pay, and increasing labour demand”.

(source)

 

Ah well, no bother, so long as charity board members get a big pay cut, right?

 

All consequences long announced before the referendum. But the clock is running out now. Better get your name down early for a Brexit Allegro

Edited June 5, 2018 by L00b

[hackey lad]

Parts made in the UK will no longer be counted as EU parts after Brexit (for cars to count towards EU Free Trade deals, approx 55% of the parts must come from the EU).

 

From the Sky News website

 

Potentially a big blow for the UK car industry.

 

Meanwhile, the UK Carer's industry could experience another blow on a similar scale, due to the number of EU nationals who care for the UK's elderly and infirm:

(source)

 

All consequences long announced, even before the referendum. But the clock is running out now. Better get your name down early for a Brexit Allegro

 

Nowt wrong with an Allegro , I had one of my first encounters in one of them

[Bob Arctor]

No , the people were asked whether they wanted to remain or leave

 

But apparently they didn't have any in-depth knowledge of the political and economic issues involved. So they just kind of guessed which way to vote? According to Car Boot anyway.