The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[melthebell]

Blame the immigrants eh?

 

Maybe pressure on services, housing, education and health is really as a result of living under a system which massively favours the rich and powerful over the workers, unemployed, the poor and the sick.

cue another anti EU rant LOL

 

---------- Post added 06-06-2018 at 20:23 ----------

 

Interesting interview with Noel Edmonds and his fight against LLoyds bank

 

and not one mention of the EU in all this talk of austerity

[tzijlstra]

The EU is unwavering in its commitment to the harsh austerity measures that have been imposed by successive Tory governments. The EU has demanded, or directly imposed, austerity measures on its member states which have in fact been much more extreme than what we here in the UK have experienced.

 

No it doesn't.

 

If a 'stronger' economy as part of the EU means more freedom of movement (and it's intended consequences of ever more fierce competition for low skilled jobs, housing, healthcare, education etc) which leads to many more people in the cities and towns, more population growth, overcrowding, creaking infrastructure and transport systems that weren't designed for such population increases, then a stronger economy benefits mainly the wealthy.

 

The economic benefits of EU membership are massively outweighed by a decline in living standards. This is why so many people voted to Leave.

 

They put their quality of life before a supposedly stronger economy which only really benefits the rich. Freedom of movement damages social cohesion, increases pressure on public services and forces down wages for people on low incomes.

 

Now your just waffling... (No surprise there) the biggest proponent of austerity in the EU is the UK. Did you ever consider that in your Brexit position? The current government are proposing a UK with an economy and society more like the US model.

 

Ie. each man for themselves and no social safety net.

 

Good luck Car Boot. Or should that be, Trunk?

[Litotes]

...If a 'stronger' economy as part of the EU means more freedom of movement (and it's intended consequences of ever more fierce competition for low skilled jobs, housing, healthcare, education etc) which leads to many more people in the cities and towns, more population growth, overcrowding, creaking infrastructure and transport systems that weren't designed for such population increases, then a stronger economy benefits mainly the wealthy.

 

How does it?

[Top Cats Hat]

Just looking at some of the news coverage of the Brexit negotiations and it is even more of a mess than I first thought with talk now of David Davis* resigning.

 

Shout 'Project Fear' as loud as you like, but I can see a real constitutional crisis looming with Article 50 having already been triggered and seemingly no way to follow it through without doing serious damage to the UK, and a government which is incapable of negotiating with itself never mind the EU. I can see this whole sorry mess ending in a second referendum, not on any deal done, but on whether the whole idea is worth going forward with at all and leaving it up to the British public to get us out of this mess.

 

It was political cowardice that got us into this mess, first Cameron's promise of a referendum to buy off potential UKIP votes then going forward with the idea on the narrowest of referendum votes without the backing of the majority of the population.

 

It will be an act of political cowardice that gets us out of it.

 

(*who finally admitted today that Brexit is going to damage the UK)

[melthebell]

No it doesn't.

 

If a 'stronger' economy as part of the EU means more freedom of movement (and it's intended consequences of ever more fierce competition for low skilled jobs, housing, healthcare, education etc) which leads to many more people in the cities and towns, more population growth, overcrowding, creaking infrastructure and transport systems that weren't designed for such population increases, then a stronger economy benefits mainly the wealthy.

 

The economic benefits of EU membership are massively outweighed by a decline in living standards. This is why so many people voted to Leave.

 

They put their quality of life before a supposedly stronger economy which only really benefits the rich. Freedom of movement damages social cohesion, increases pressure on public services and forces down wages for people on low incomes.

Or you could read this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44392148

 

the UK has just bought 4 of these jets from a US company, at a cost of £92m EACH apparently.

and 48 all together are on order, but we are thinking about buying 138, it was 150. (feel free to do the maths on 138 x 92m)

 

now you can wonder where all this austerity has gone, has it gone or come from the EU? or has it been created by the UK to stockpile expensive (even the makers admit they are expensive and should get cheaper in the longterm) from the US, seems its all US allies that are stockpiling these jets, now where will these ultra expensive planes get used? we wont be attacking the US, Israel, or any of the other allies like France, Holland.

 

nope we'll prolly be murdering thousands upon thousands in Syria, Iraq again and maybe even in Africa? Maybe Iran? maybe even Russia?

 

now you can wonder where all the money from the NHS, schools, housing, police etc is going, not to the EU, but to fund more expensive toys for the boys to kick ass in far flung places.

Viva Britania

[Top Cats Hat]

"The planes had been due to fly to the UK on Wednesday, but the mission was postponed due to adverse weather conditions"

 

If I'd spent £92 million on a state of the art fighter jet I'd expect it to fly in all weathers.

 

(a point which is particularly salient today, on the anniversary of D-Day when allied forces still went in, although the weather was appalling!)

[hackey lad]

Or you could read this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44392148

 

the UK has just bought 4 of these jets from a US company, at a cost of £92m EACH apparently.

and 48 all together are on order, but we are thinking about buying 138, it was 150. (feel free to do the maths on 138 x 92m)

 

now you can wonder where all this austerity has gone, has it gone or come from the EU? or has it been created by the UK to stockpile expensive (even the makers admit they are expensive and should get cheaper in the longterm) from the US, seems its all US allies that are stockpiling these jets, now where will these ultra expensive planes get used? we wont be attacking the US, Israel, or any of the other allies like France, Holland.

 

nope we'll prolly be murdering thousands upon thousands in Syria, Iraq again and maybe even in Africa? Maybe Iran? maybe even Russia?

 

now you can wonder where all the money from the NHS, schools, housing, police etc is going, not to the EU, but to fund more expensive toys for the boys to kick ass in far flung places.

Viva Britania

 

Rule Britannia At least ,when you are pulling it down , please spell it correctly

[tinfoilhat]

"The planes had been due to fly to the UK on Wednesday, but the mission was postponed due to adverse weather conditions"

 

If I'd spent £92 million on a state of the art fighter jet I'd expect it to fly in all weathers.

 

(a point which is particularly salient today, on the anniversary of D-Day when allied forces still went in, although the weather was appalling!)

 

To be fair, D Day was the turning point of a world war. Today was the RAF driving their new car from the showroom.

 

Anyway, back to this fruit picker shortage, any brexiters keen on helping our farmers?

[Longcol]

IF our economy suffers YOURS and indeed my quality of life will suffer, the government and businesses get less, taxes go up, jobs and pay go down, welfare will be cut, NHS cut, police cut, anger up, resentment up

 

less jobs, less pay, less dole, less pensions, less healthcare, more taxes

 

you are living in some weird utopian robin hood dream world

 

Brexit will be funded by Car Boot sales.

[Top Cats Hat]

Anyway, back to this fruit picker shortage, any brexiters keen on helping our farmers?

 

Not sure if it was Newsnight or Channel Four News but in the days after the referendum vote in 2016, a Lincolnshire farmer who had voted to leave, was asked where he was going to get his pickers from once Britain had left the EU. "Romania", he answered. When he was told that he'd probably not be able to do that he looked genuinely shocked and when he regained his composure said. "Well that's not what I voted for!".

 

To me that one short interview summed up two things. One, how really, really stupid a lot of people who voted leave were and two, how leave meant a whole number of different things to different people.

 

The reason why Teresa May and all the other passengers in her Cabinet Clown Car are struggling to find an answer is simply because there isn't one.