retep Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 nerr nerr nerr not listening...........democracy.............nerr nerr nerr not listening...........project fear.............nerr nerr nerr not listening...........remoaners.............nerr nerr nerr not listening...........Sovereignty.............nerr nerr nerr not listening...........take it back.............nerr nerr nerr not listening You'll get to the Juniors eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Barnier just shot down the UK’s proposal in flames. The EU just told the U.K. to either get serious or GTFO What most Brextremists (and apparently Boris Johnson) don't seem to realise is how incredibly weak the UK's position is since Article 50 was triggered. The EU has most of the cards (and no, it isn't going to collapse if the UK leaves without paying a penny, which would be illegal anyway) and is under no obligation to negotiate anything other than very toughly on behalf of the other 27 members. If the whole thing doesn't completely collapse, what will most likely happen is that we end up half in, half out and still subject to the ECJ on many matters with absolutely no say in any of it. Believe me, it will make the rubbish deal David Cameron came back from Brussels with in February 2016 look like the best deal ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The EU has most of the cards and all the cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 What most Brextremists (and apparently Boris Johnson) don't seem to realise is how incredibly weak the UK's position is since Article 50 was triggered. <...>See this, this, and this, and note the post dates It’s been (bad) brinksmanship by May, Davis, Fox, Johnson & Co ever since July 2016, mostly for show to the audience at home. All the opinions in my linked posts were, and continue to be, informed by facts and common sense. The UK’s historical (since June 2016) and current position was predictable long before the referendum. No hindsight needed, just vindication on a daily basis since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrystottle Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Fear not. Theresa May has a cunning plan to yet again kick the ball into the long grass by asking Barnier if we can put Article 50 on hold for a strictly time limited transitional period of the next 5,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Fear not. Theresa May has a cunning plan to yet again kick the ball into the long grass by asking Barnier if we can put Article 50 on hold for a strictly time limited transitional period of the next 5,000 years. please sir, can we have our ball back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Fear not. Theresa May has a cunning plan to yet again kick the ball into the long grass by asking Barnier if we can put Article 50 on hold for a strictly time limited transitional period of the next 5,000 years. Wasn't one of the lawyers who authored Article 50 in the first place, on the telly last year saying that the government seemed to have no real understanding of its operation and that in all likelihood its triggering would not be legally binding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrystottle Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Wasn't one of the lawyers who authored Article 50 in the first place, on the telly last year saying that the government seemed to have no real understanding of its operation and that in all likelihood its triggering would not be legally binding? Yes, but at this point any decision about anything would appear to be beyond May let alone a decision as big as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 And anyone who thinks Trump is going to bail us out of this mess with a favourable trade deal should really have a look at this. G7: Trump says Russia should be part of summit http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44409775 Special relationship my asre! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 We'll deal with the predicted 'meltdown' in the same way we handled the predicted loss of 820,000 jobs, the predicted emergency budget of £15 billion in cuts and £15 billion in tax rises, and the predicted global conflict which would definitely happen if we voted to Leave the EU. Economic forecasting has a very poor record precisely because it's difficult to accurately predict what might happen in the future. But there are posters on here who are VERY emotionally invested in the idea of Brexit being an economic disaster. In fact, they greatly desire it to be so with every fibre of their being. Rather than admitting the very real problems with economic forecasting they keep their faith in the so-called 'experts' and their forecasts no matter how many times economic armageddon fails to materialise. If you don’t believe in forecasts then how have you decided that we will be better off out of the EU? What is the basis for your argument? ---------- Post added 08-06-2018 at 17:55 ---------- And anyone who thinks Trump is going to bail us out of this mess with a favourable trade deal should really have a look at this. G7: Trump says Russia should be part of summit http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44409775 Special relationship my asre! Trump will take us to the cleaners. He’s an economic nationalist. The special relationship counts for nothing with him and there won’t be any favours from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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