El Cid Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 What about UK residents who pay no UK taxes?* *I take it that we are talking income tax. JSA - New or recently returned to the UK You may be able to get income-based JSA if you can prove you’ve been living in the UK, the Isle of Man, the Republic of Ireland or the Channel Islands for at least 3 months before you claim, and you’re either: a UK national who’s recently returned from abroad an EEA national and you have the right to live in the UK, the Isle of Man, the Republic of Ireland or the Channel Islands Not everyone living here qualifies for all benefits, depends on where you were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Not everyone living here qualifies for all benefits, depends on where you were born. That's true, but the problem with Car Boot's model is that he has to make the argument that a 32 year old man born and residing in Leeds and claiming JSA has more of a claim on say health provision than a 32 year old man born in Bucharest and residing in Leeds but in full time employment and paying tax and NI contributions. Maybe that is not what he's saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 hahahahahaha cardoor just gets dafter and dafter in his march to blame EVERYTHING on the EU, its funny but actually scary that there is people so obsessed with certain things out there. and it really is pointless posting facts as he just doesnt want to know, obsession has consumed him and theres no changing it. The point is that car bot’s posts are driven by a socialist agenda, but are also heavily supportive of hard right neoliberals, who are more rabid than those in the EU he claims to hate. Maybe he sees Brexit as the Trojan horse that will bring about a British socialist utopia. I'd be interested to see Car Boot's IP info, tbh. The bits of his posting that I see quoted by other posters, and said posters' comments about his apparent imperviousness to facts and reasoned debate, do nothing to change my months-long opinion that he's a Russian troll farm employee and nothing more than an agitator. In the alternative, then he's an ideologist little removed from an evangelist, and hardly worth engaging in debating just the same. Aaanyway. More can-kicking by Ms May, I see: a post-June EU summit, Checkers get-together in July, to have yet another go at defining what the UK wants out of Brexit. That will leave all of August and September to put a DCFTA together, ready for 38 democratic votes across the EU to start in October. 2 to 3 months to do about 2 years' worth of (heavy duty) work. Given the form of the UK to date, I don't have any objective reason to start getting optimist about your chances of avoiding a hard Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 A Remain voter and a Leave voter in conversation: Remainer: The UK is too weak to go it alone. The UK doesn't produce or manufacture anything of worth. The country will never amount to anything. Better not to try. The EU will protect workers rights, but we must never mention EU imposed austerity on workers. The UK is like a child, and the EU is the parent. We must draw out the leaving process into infinity, so that we never leave. If we don't hang on to the coat tails of the EU, we will not prosper. We are a failure! Leaver: Why should I listen to you? You are very defeatist. Why are you against national independence and our own people making our laws? Why must we obey a foreign power? Just because you are disappointed with your life, don't try to restrict me. The UK might go through a period of transition, but we will be far more content a few years down the line. Once Brexit uncertainty is ended, business investment will be unleashed! Embrace change, don't fear it! Let's do this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) A Remain voter and a Leave voter in conversation: Remainer: The UK is too weak to go it alone. The UK doesn't produce or manufacture anything of worth. The country will never amount to anything. Better not to try. The EU will protect workers rights, but we must never mention EU imposed austerity on workers. The UK is like a child, and the EU is the parent. We must draw out the leaving process into infinity, so that we never leave. If we don't hang on to the coat tails of the EU, we will not prosper. We are a failure! Leaver: Why should I listen to you? You are very defeatist. Why are you against national independence and our own people making our laws? Why must we obey a foreign power? Just because you are disappointed with your life, don't try to restrict me. The UK might go through a period of transition, but we will be far more content a few years down the line. Once Brexit uncertainty is ended, business investment will be unleashed! Embrace change, don't fear it! Let's do this! do what, by the looks of it youre gonna be very disappointed when it gets watered down and down Edited June 9, 2018 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 A Remain voter and a Leave voter in conversation: Remainer: The UK is too weak to go it alone. The UK doesn't produce or manufacture anything of worth. The country will never amount to anything. Better not to try. The EU will protect workers rights, but we must never mention EU imposed austerity on workers. The UK is like a child, and the EU is the parent. We must draw out the leaving process into infinity, so that we never leave. If we don't hang on to the coat tails of the EU, we will not prosper. We are a failure! Leaver: Why should I listen to you? You are very defeatist. Why are you against national independence and our own people making our laws? Why must we obey a foreign power? Just because you are disappointed with your life, don't try to restrict me. The UK might go through a period of transition, but we will be far more content a few years down the line. Once Brexit uncertainty is ended, business investment will be unleashed! Embrace change, don't fear it! Let's do this! I agree with Loob. Your views are so inconsistent and your arguments so muddled they cannot be genuine. You’re here to distract, nothing more. My choice is not to engage with you any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 A Remain voter and a Leave voter in conversation: Remainer: The UK is too weak to go it alone. The UK doesn't produce or manufacture anything of worth. The country will never amount to anything. Better not to try. The EU will protect workers rights, but we must never mention EU imposed austerity on workers. The UK is like a child, and the EU is the parent. We must draw out the leaving process into infinity, so that we never leave. If we don't hang on to the coat tails of the EU, we will not prosper. We are a failure! Leaver: Why should I listen to you? You are very defeatist. Why are you against national independence and our own people making our laws? Why must we obey a foreign power? Just because you are disappointed with your life, don't try to restrict me. The UK might go through a period of transition, but we will be far more content a few years down the line. Once Brexit uncertainty is ended, business investment will be unleashed! Embrace change, don't fear it! Let's do this! Do what? What should we manufacturer? Who is going to design it? Who is going to build it - another bunch of immigrants? Who is going to buy it - you've just effectivly voted for a bunch of tariffs. Period of transition? That's one way to describe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Further conversation. Leaver:What has the EU ever done for us. Remainer :Brought us 70 years of peace in Europe Leaver:What else Remainer:Enabled free trade and free movement in Europe Leaver :Yeah but....what else Remainer:Funded major projects in the U.K. Leaver :What about our sovereignty Remainer:What makes you think that this would improve your lot Leaver :What about immigration Remainer :We need migrant workers from doctors,nurses to crop pickers. Leaver :The Mail says they all get benefits and social housing. Remainer:A few might but many contribute to our economy. Leaver:Look how much it costs us. Remainer:We are a nett contributor as long as our economy relatively prospers and its a price worth paying. Leaver:Well I voted out and no amount of logic will change my mind. Remainer:Sadly I accept that and unfortunately our politicians seem to have the same mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 That's true, but the problem with Car Boot's model is that he has to make the argument that a 32 year old man born and residing in Leeds and claiming JSA has more of a claim on say health provision than a 32 year old man born in Bucharest and residing in Leeds but in full time employment and paying tax and NI contributions. Maybe that is not what he's saying. The man who was born in Leeds has more of a claim because his parents will have paid into the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 The man who was born in Leeds has more of a claim because his parents will have paid into the system. Think about that very carefully. Maybe in terms of one of the contribution-based benefits we do have: state pension. Then let’s chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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