retep Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I am probably paying into the system more than your you or your parents ever did. So do I have more claim than you ever will? Total nonsense as usual from you. Have you applied for a Sainthood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 That's true, but the problem with Car Boot's model is that he has to make the argument that a 32 year old man born and residing in Leeds and claiming JSA has more of a claim on say health provision than a 32 year old man born in Bucharest and residing in Leeds but in full time employment and paying tax and NI contributions. Maybe that is not what he's saying. Are both of these people British citizens? British citizenship has the largest impact upon the rights bestowed upon an individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Who's contributions started it? In practical terms it doesn’t matter. You don’t get credit for your parents contributions. It’s not hard to understand. If you want to go down the road of heritage allowing for increased rights for benefits then it’s a very slippery slope. But let’s hear your argument for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Are both of these people British citizens? British citizenship has the largest impact upon the rights bestowed upon an individual. No. In this hypothetical scenario one is a UK citizen and the other is a Romanian citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retep Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 In practical terms it doesn’t matter. You don’t get credit for your parents contributions. It’s not hard to understand. If you want to go down the road of heritage allowing for increased rights for benefits then it’s a very slippery slope. But let’s hear your argument for it. Your parents contributions started the welfare state off, your contribution just adds to it, your credit is due to the fact you have paid in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) George Osbourne did in fact abandon his plans for achieving a budget surplus by the end of the decade under austerity just a few weeks after the referendum vote. The Labour party referred to this Brexit inspired decision as 'failed Tory austerity'. UK austerity would have been more severe if people didn't vote to leave the organisation that champions austerity - the EU. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/01/george-osborne-scraps-2020-budget-surplus-plan We aren't seeing anymore investment and our public services are still struggling massively. And in fact new chancellor Phillip Hammond cut another 6% accross the board. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/28/government-departments-told-to-outline-cuts-of-up-to-6-per-cent Edited June 10, 2018 by tinfoilhat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Your parents contributions started the welfare state off, your contribution just adds to it, your credit is due to the fact you have paid in. So anyone who pays in to the welfare state should be able to get benefits for themselves and their kids from the welfare state then? Edited June 10, 2018 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 So anyone who pays in to the welfare state should be able to get benefits for themselves and their kids from the welfare state then? funnily im on the "welfare state" now, and my 182 days contributions period is up, now ive got to mess about filling in another book to start getting normal JSA until this new job starts, couple of weeks, maybe a month. Maybe i should tell em mi dad contributed too, and mi grandads, maybe ill get longer on contribution based JSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Oh dear, this again. I thought even the most ardent EU supporter had abandoned this claim. WW2 ended in 1945. The EEC came into being in 1957, twelve years later. The EU hasn't even existed for 70 years, let alone prevented war in Europe for 70 years. Yes, there have been no wars between EU members. But the EU has not "brought us 70 years of peace in Europe". It did not prevent Turkey invading Cyprus in 1974. It did not prevent the civil war in Yugoslavia. It did not prevent the war in the Ukraine. Claims like this don't do the pro-EU camp any favours. The presence of NATO forces in Europe had a lot more to do with keeping the Russians out than anything else, for instance. Nationalism is at the root of most conflicts. The dilution of borders,tariffs,sovereignty and advancement of cooperation between countries is essential to peace and I strongly believe that the European Union is a major factor in preserving peace for the future. Jaw Jaw,not war war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Your parents contributions started the welfare state off, your contribution just adds to it, your credit is due to the fact you have paid in. It doesn’t work like that. You get no credit for what your parents put in. There is no right to anything other than what the rules allow, and your parents contributions are not part of the rules, and heritage counts for nothing. It’s all funded out of annual taxation anyway. You don’t add to anything. For some benefits your own previous contributions may entitle you to that benefit, but those previous contributions are not stashed away somewhere waiting for you to use them - the government will meet their obligations from taxation revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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