chalga Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 From what Fox has said this morning,it sounds like the UK is still going for the 'cake and eat it' scenario,that the EU should play ball with the UK for the greater good of the people of the EU and effects on trade worldwide if the EU does not,that it would be foolish of the EU to place political obstacles in the way of trade deals. So the UK are hoping that the EU play all their cards more or less how the UK wants them to come out,the EU will not rock the boat,presumably even when the UK tries to negotiate better terms outside the EU than inside,which seems ludicrous seeing the gulf in the talks already experienced over standard divorce talks and positions on the few things already touched on,before we get anywhere near trade agreements. Vince Cable is correct,the whole thing will come off the rails somewhere down the line,even if the infighting and outfighting of UK politicians doesn't do it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rex Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Very few posters actually bothering to defend Brexit on this thread now. They know the game is up. They know the Tories and Labour are going to have to drop the idea. ---------- Post added 12-07-2017 at 13:54 ---------- You remember that Iraqi military spokesman who refused to accept reality even as allied tanks trundled behind him. That's you that is. For heavens sake Brexit is getting more ridiculous by the day. We're a laughing stock. The Iraqi Military spokesman was only doing his job. The reason we're a laughing stock is because the sore losers have not accepted the democratic result the people delivered. The EU see us as a divided nation inhabited by traitors, who are taking their side in the negotiations, rather than their own country's side. During the First World War those not supporting their own Country were branded cowards and white feathers were posted to them. In 1939, when Winston Churchill declared War on Germany the nation got behind the decision and pulled together even though unlike the referendum, they had no say in the decision. Anyone not happy with the EU referendum result can move to an EU country, rather than moan about the democratic decision made. Anyone who chooses not to move to an EU country and still not accept the referendum result is a Brexit coward. The sore losers have behaved like spoilt children in the age of the 'snowflake' It was only adults who were allowed to vote in the referendum and the decision the adults made should be respected fully, resulting in the UK fully leaving the EU. The consequences of the UK leaving the EU are irrelevant to honest people, who hold on to their principles and respect democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The Iraqi Military spokesman was only doing his job. The reason we're a laughing stock is because the sore losers have not accepted the democratic result the people delivered. The EU see us as a divided nation inhabited by traitors, who are taking their side in the negotiations, rather than their own country's side. During the First World War those not supporting their own Country were branded cowards and white feathers were posted to them. In 1939, when Winston Churchill declared War on Germany the nation got behind the decision and pulled together even though unlike the referendum, they had no say in the decision. Anyone not happy with the EU referendum result can move to an EU country, rather than moan about the democratic decision made. Anyone who chooses not to move to an EU country and still not accept the referendum result is a Brexit coward. The sore losers have behaved like spoilt children in the age of the 'snowflake' It was only adults who were allowed to vote in the referendum and the decision the adults made should be respected fully, resulting in the UK fully leaving the EU. The consequences of the UK leaving the EU are irrelevant to honest people, who hold on to their principles and respect democracy. Comedy gold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Lord Rex doesn't really understand what democracy means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalga Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The Iraqi Military spokesman was only doing his job. The reason we're a laughing stock is because the sore losers have not accepted the democratic result the people delivered. The EU see us as a divided nation inhabited by traitors, who are taking their side in the negotiations, rather than their own country's side. During the First World War those not supporting their own Country were branded cowards and white feathers were posted to them. In 1939, when Winston Churchill declared War on Germany the nation got behind the decision and pulled together even though unlike the referendum, they had no say in the decision. Anyone not happy with the EU referendum result can move to an EU country, rather than moan about the democratic decision made. Anyone who chooses not to move to an EU country and still not accept the referendum result is a Brexit coward. The sore losers have behaved like spoilt children in the age of the 'snowflake' It was only adults who were allowed to vote in the referendum and the decision the adults made should be respected fully, resulting in the UK fully leaving the EU. The consequences of the UK leaving the EU are irrelevant to honest people, who hold on to their principles and respect democracy. There you go then,there's no end to any costs/damages/lives and business affected adversly for the sake of principles of Brexiteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Lord Rex doesn't really understand what democracy means. Getting the excuses in early, if/when it all goes belly up, it's the remainers fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 The Iraqi Military spokesman was only doing his job. The reason we're a laughing stock is because the sore losers have not accepted the democratic result the people delivered. The EU see us as a divided nation inhabited by traitors, who are taking their side in the negotiations, rather than their own country's side. During the First World War those not supporting their own Country were branded cowards and white feathers were posted to them. In 1939, when Winston Churchill declared War on Germany the nation got behind the decision and pulled together even though unlike the referendum, they had no say in the decision. Anyone not happy with the EU referendum result can move to an EU country, rather than moan about the democratic decision made. Anyone who chooses not to move to an EU country and still not accept the referendum result is a Brexit coward. The sore losers have behaved like spoilt children in the age of the 'snowflake' It was only adults who were allowed to vote in the referendum and the decision the adults made should be respected fully, resulting in the UK fully leaving the EU. The consequences of the UK leaving the EU are irrelevant to honest people, who hold on to their principles and respect democracy. Speaking of snowflakes... ...do you want a flake in all that froth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairyloon Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 It really isn't, you know. Are you sure? I think he does believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlinate Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm insinuating that there cannot be any bilateral deal about cross-border trade (or, for that matter, about any other domain in which the EU has competence) between a brexited, third party state UK and any individual EU member state (which is what Puggie claimed will happen). Any deal negotiated with 'one' EU state is one negotiated with all of them, and necessarily through the EU. I thought the reciprocal aspect of this (i.e. the impossibility for an EU member state of negotiating its own ('bilateral') deals with third party states) was a long-settled, most-publicised, major bugbear of the Leavers...so I really didn't think I'd have to pick up a Leaver about it. Hence my being compelled to ask Puggie if he is familiar with how the EU works. I mean, this is really basic stuff. Yes, I know, I was trying to be funny, and obviously failing! Should have put a smiley The problem with Brexiteers is that they got us into this mess by not thinking things through and relying on jingoistic yearnings, not supported by facts, to decide which way to vote. It is now obvious to anyone paying attention that the Remainers were right and that this whole thing is going pear shaped to the countries detriment. They can't admit that, so it's all the fault of the Remainers for not being patriotic enough and the EU for wanting to punish us. The fact that it is their fault for not applying logic in their decision making and our politicians fault for being less than competent can't be admitted to because it makes them look foolish. Which is what they were and still are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightrider Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yes, I know, I was trying to be funny, and obviously failing! Should have put a smiley The problem with Brexiteers is that they got us into this mess by not thinking things through and relying on jingoistic yearnings, not supported by facts, to decide which way to vote. They still are not thinking things through properly: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-damien-greene-nhs-cancer-patients-brexit-uk-quit-euratom-eu-agency-mps-european-union-a7837356.html How hard can it be to just research some facts before opening your mouth?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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