The Consequences of Brexit [part 4]

[hackey lad]

It means the government’s prediction of how the effects of its immigration control was completely wrong. If they can get this wrong, it doesn’t give you a lot of faith in the rest of their home office policies.

 

Also, what about other highly skillled jobs in other sectors, should they not get the same treatment?

 

Again, trusting predictions dosent help but there are plenty of them on this thread . As for the other jobs , if they are really needed ( whether highly skilled or not) , I would expect that situation to change

[RJRB]

I cannot see whats bad about this . Despite claims on here ,Brexit was Never about , No immigration , it was about controlled immigration . Allowing skilled people into the UK to do jobs that are needed

 

Who you kidding

[I1L2T3]

It means the government’s prediction of how the effects of its immigration control was completely wrong. If they can get this wrong, it doesn’t give you a lot of faith in the rest of their home office policies.

 

Also, what about other highly skillled jobs in other sectors, should they not get the same treatment?

 

May’s judgement is shot through.

 

The shocking quality of her judgement is the elephant in the room.

 

There’s really only a handful of major decisions as Home sec or PM that she had actually got right.

 

Everything else is either a disaster or bordering on disaster.

 

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If you don't like the truth change the subject have you considered politics as a career?

 

Like it or not we won they lost and some of us are sick of hearing the losers whinge.

 

Was there this much fuss after some voted to enter the common market? NO!

 

And there was no real fuss at all when we became without consultation or consent a subservient pawn of a political union instead of a member of a supposedly mutually advantageous collective trade agreement.

 

You win no argument with your superficial smart talk

 

You can attack me all you want but it’s futile. Because you don’t understand democracy.

 

No decision is set in stone. That is the whole point of democracy. Change.

 

Everything has the potential to be reversed or changed. Either in dramatic fashion or bit by bit. Nibble by nibble. That is how UKIP took the battle to the country over two decades.

 

Whatever way we do it there won’t be a hard Brexit, because your own tactics are being turned back on you. Hard Brexit has ultimately become impossible. If it can be prevented altogether we’ll do it.

[tzijlstra]

Was there this much fuss after some voted to enter the common market? NO!

 

A)different time

B)everybody realised it was the right decision

 

 

You win no argument with your superficial smart talk

 

You win no argument that is based on a lived experience fifty years ago. Trying to recreate the ydillic seventies is superficial and pathetic. You’re foisting your views on people who actually have a better understanding of today’s world than you ever had.

Edited June 16, 2018 by tzijlstra

[Longcol]

And there was no real fuss at all when we became without consultation or consent a subservient pawn of a political union instead of a member of a supposedly mutually advantageous collective trade agreement.

 

"Subservient" as in retaining our own currency, opting out of Schengen etc.

[hgdave]

By isolating NI from the rest of the U.K. jurisdictionally (special status, border in the sea).

 

Didn't the people of Northern Ireland vote to remain anyway let them have a vote on where the border should be.

[ez8004]

Didn't the people of Northern Ireland vote to remain anyway let them have a vote on where the border should be.

 

So give them a border poll and we lose NI as part of the UK. Lol

[L00b]

Didn't the people of Northern Ireland vote to remain anyway let them have a vote on where the border should be.

Irrelevant, besides not being doable within what’s left of the Art.50 timeframe.

 

This article explains why, and, accessorily also explains why this past week’s HoC vote is irrelevant: because the backstop was only ever about NI, and the EU27 aren’t going to let it ‘extend’ to the whole of the U.K., whatever the U.K. (‘s Parliament) may proclaim or vote about it - because anything short of cancelling Brexit is subject to the goodwill of the EU27 (@ ez8004).

 

I’m afraid Brits have been severely misreading the EU27’s stance about Brexit for a long time. Including remainders, possibly. The U.K. (‘s government) made its bed and, if it doesn’t mend its ways soon, the EU27 are determined to make it lie in it. Nothing personal, just (international) business. Hey-ho.

Edited June 16, 2018 by L00b

[Top Cats Hat]

the EU27 are determined to make it lie in it. Nothing personal

 

That's what leave supporters would do well to remember when they call for Davis & Co. to play hardball with the EU.

 

All that will do is make it a lot easier for them to do the most expedient thing which is to give the UK the worst deal possible as a deterrent to any others thinking of leaving.

 

Of course May and Davis know this, as do Johnson and Rees Mogg who are just posturing for political advantage.

[Car Boot]

You can attack me all you want but it’s futile. Because you don’t understand democracy.

 

No decision is set in stone. That is the whole point of democracy. Change.

 

Everything has the potential to be reversed or changed. Either in dramatic fashion or bit by bit. Nibble by nibble. That is how UKIP took the battle to the country over two decades.

 

If we stay in the EU then the people at the very top getting richer and the much larger percentage at the bottom growing poorer continues. It's a trend we've been seeing for decades, and greatly accelerated after we joined the EU.

 

Many of the younger generation of voters have never known life outside of the EU, and so voted to maintain the status quo in the referendum, rather than voting for change. The next generation will almost certainly vote for a status quo OUTSIDE of the EU.

 

I think this is what gets some remain voters so upset. They are aware that unless they get another referendum up and running soon they won't have a chance in hell of returning to the EU for decades. If ever.