L00b Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Which parts are bespoke exactly?As zach indicates, with HP it tends to vary depending on the model and, even for a same model series (-reference), on the discrete spec for the model (depending on whether AMD- or Intel-based). It was already well-known a good decade (and a bit) ago (whence I had an AMD64-based HP, 'Pavilion' job IIRC, with many of the same <but Intel-based> models not readily upgradable in most respects, but my AMD64 one fully upgradeable in all respects: the 'end' spec, when I got rid years later, was just about completely different from what it started with, save as to the case and mobo, and all the upgrades were std off-the-shelf). I certainly saw it first-hand with my brother-in-law's "turnkey" HP SFF in the early 2010s, which he'd asked me to upgrade it. Same story with Acer, btw (although, again, I have found my AMD-based one easily upgradable, but for the SFF form factor constraints (gfx cards' choice in particular)). Probably down to scale economies when procuring components in volume, and helps to build obsolescence into the product. Edited June 29, 2017 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghozer Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) after reading what you said, You only need it for a year, you dont want to spend silly money as it's only for a year etc... You would be better building one, or getting one built for you... With what you're needing/wanting to use it for, more ram (32GB) would be better, especially when working with large images/3D renders etc... you wouldn't need the speed and capability of the GTX 1060 graphics, a lower spec card such as the GT1030 or even the onboard Intel 630 would be more than enough for your usage scenario... As for the CPU, the i5 equivelent, (~i5-7600) would be more than enough for your requirements... This should save you at least a good £300-400 ... (I don't work for them, this is purely as an example... something along these lines, https://www.expertec.co.uk/gaming-pc-s/core-i5-intel/core-i5-7500-kaby-lake-7th-gen-gaming-pc-2gb-gtx-1050-windows-7-pro-1076.html ) add a little more RAMand you're good to go.. And on this occasion, you would get the longer warranty's, unlike the HP one from PCW... Edited June 29, 2017 by Ghozer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey finn Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 after reading what you said, You only need it for a year, you dont want to spend silly money as it's only for a year etc... You would be better building one, or getting one built for you... With what you're needing/wanting to use it for, more ram (32GB) would be better, especially when working with large images/3D renders etc... you wouldn't need the speed and capability of the GTX 1060 graphics, a lower spec card such as the GT1030 or even the onboard Intel 630 would be more than enough for your usage scenario... As for the CPU, the i5 equivelent, (~i5-7600) would be more than enough for your requirements... This should save you at least a good £300-400 ... (I don't work for them, this is purely as an example... something along these lines, https://www.expertec.co.uk/gaming-pc-s/core-i5-intel/core-i5-7500-kaby-lake-7th-gen-gaming-pc-2gb-gtx-1050-windows-7-pro-1076.html ) add a little more RAMand you're good to go.. And on this occasion, you would get the longer warranty's, unlike the HP one from PCW... Absolutely agree with Ghozer, I recently had one built after my old pc died and I mainly used it for photo editing, it was a pretty high end one in its day so I got carried away with the replacement pc and before you know it I was knocking on the 900 quid mark with water cooling, illuminated fans, LED lighting, masses of RAM, solid state drives, it became a gaming rig and a massive waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love2print Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 With what you're needing/wanting to use it for, more ram (32GB) would be better, especially when working with large images/3D renders etc... you wouldn't need the speed and capability of the GTX 1060 graphics, a lower spec card such as the GT1030 or even the onboard Intel 630 would be more than enough for your usage scenario... Thanks for the advice. Just to check does this take into consideration the GPU requirements for Illustrator (if using the GPU performance enhancements)? https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/gpu-performance-preview-improvements.html https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/system-requirements.html#main-pars_minitoc Just want to double check as my current laptop can run Photoshop and InDesign fine but Illustrator is where it struggles. I don't want to get another PC which can't handle Illustrator. @mickey finn - Trust me I will not be getting a PC that is so full of LEDs you can see it from space. A plain black tower would suit me fine. Although I do want an SDD and a decent amount of RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey finn Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Thanks for the advice. Just to check does this take into consideration the GPU requirements for Illustrator (if using the GPU performance enhancements)? https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/gpu-performance-preview-improvements.html https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/system-requirements.html#main-pars_minitoc Just want to double check as my current laptop can run Photoshop and InDesign fine but Illustrator is where it struggles. I don't want to get another PC which can't handle Illustrator. @mickey finn - Trust me I will not be getting a PC that is so full of LEDs you can see it from space. A plain black tower would suit me fine. Although I do want an SDD and a decent amount of RAM. Admittedly it does look pretty cool and the lighting is not over the top but it will never see a game in its life, I think I got carried away because I hadnt realised just how far computers have come on in the last five years, I opted for an I7 cpu when an I5 would have easily handled Photoshop and the likes, that said I am thinking about doing a bit of video editing so maybe it will all come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghozer Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Thanks for the advice. Just to check does this take into consideration the GPU requirements for Illustrator (if using the GPU performance enhancements)? https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/kb/gpu-performance-preview-improvements.html https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/system-requirements.html#main-pars_minitoc Just want to double check as my current laptop can run Photoshop and InDesign fine but Illustrator is where it struggles. I don't want to get another PC which can't handle Illustrator. @mickey finn - Trust me I will not be getting a PC that is so full of LEDs you can see it from space. A plain black tower would suit me fine. Although I do want an SDD and a decent amount of RAM. I would think that most machines in the last few years would run illustrator - I can't think of anything it does, that wouldn't work on a current (or even previous) generation CPU.... - Illustrator requirements state "NVIDIA GeForce GTX Series (4xx, 5xx, 6xx, 7xx, 9xx, Titan)" - which the link I provided has... or... if you opt for onboard (not a dedicated GPU) then it will also work on the CPU's onboard GPU fine... all requirements for illustrator are here... https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/system-requirements.html (P.S. - unless your current computer was a VERY low spec when you bought it, i'd be surprised if it didn't work on your current machine looking at the required specifications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love2print Posted June 29, 2017 Author Share Posted June 29, 2017 I would think that most machines in the last few years would run illustrator - I can't think of anything it does, that wouldn't work on a current (or even previous) generation CPU.... - Illustrator requirements state "NVIDIA GeForce GTX Series (4xx, 5xx, 6xx, 7xx, 9xx, Titan)" - which the link I provided has... or... if you opt for onboard (not a dedicated GPU) then it will also work on the CPU's onboard GPU fine... all requirements for illustrator are here... https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/system-requirements.html (P.S. - unless your current computer was a VERY low spec when you bought it, i'd be surprised if it didn't work on your current machine looking at the required specifications) I'm guessing its the GPU. My specs are i5 3337U 1.8 GHz, Intel HD 4000 GPU and 12 GB RAM. Too many vectors and it struggles. I'm not using the latest version of Illustrator, I'm using CS4. Tried the 3D effects and it becomes unusable. I assumed the GPU would be issue especially with the 3D. Possibly CPU? It wasn't a top spec laptop (Asus X550C) but not the lowest either. I have to say I think my old HP before it was better value for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghozer Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'm guessing its the GPU. My specs are i5 3337U 1.8 GHz, Intel HD 4000 GPU and 12 GB RAM. Too many vectors and it struggles. I'm not using the latest version of Illustrator, I'm using CS4. Tried the 3D effects and it becomes unusable. I assumed the GPU would be issue especially with the 3D. Possibly CPU? It wasn't a top spec laptop (Asus X550C) but not the lowest either. I have to say I think my old HP before it was better value for money. That cpu and graphics is in the compatibility list, but indeed with too much it will slow down, it will run it, just be slow.. A gtx1050 or the 1060 in the one I linked will be more than enough.... Unless you're going into silly number of polys and vectors etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love2print Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 Thanks for the advice Ghozer. Will have a think about whether to go for 32GB or 16GB. I think at the least I will look out for a PC that can be upgraded to 32GB - the HP can't be upgraded, 16GB is it's maximum. Been on Overclockers to price up a PC with varying specs. Not sure if I am using a lot of vectors? Not sure what a lot would be classed as. I use Illustrator for both designing Logos (this doesn't use that many vectors) and also to illustrate with - this can use a far few depending on the complexity of the illustration. I'm thinking because I do use it to illustrate with that 32GB RAM might be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 (edited) 32GB of ram would be better for what you have described. Consider also going for an AMD Ryzen 1600 6 core as its cheaper and has a good benchmark score on multi-threaded tasks but a bit slower at single threads though. The money you save could also be put towards buying a 1440p monitor then, which I'm sure would benefit you for design work. EDIT: Just did a quick look on Amazon as a suggestion as overclockers do tend to be a bit on the high side. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 CPU TDP 65W 190.00 Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) 2666 MHz 228.00 ASUS PRIME B350M-A Micro ATX Motherboard 72.00 Nvidia GTX 1050 GDDR5 2GB PCI-E 100.00 Corsair CC-9011077-WW Carbide Series 100R Case 55.00 Decent 500W PSU 50.00 250GB Samsung SSD 85.00 1TB Hard Drive 40.00 DVD Rom 20.00 Total £840 Edited July 1, 2017 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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