Government to end petrol/diesel engines by 2040

[Cyclone]

Charging time is pretty much irrelevant. You just need a fast way to change the batteries and a forecourt big enough to store/charge loads ready to go.

 

This setup isn't being actively pursued by any manufacturer though.

 

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Renewable UK says that, on average, wind turbines are generating electricity 70-80% of the time.

There was an article in the Telegraph in 2014, about turbine owners being paid £43 million a year(which is chicken feed when you consider how much is earned in total) to switch them off because they had too much power.

 

There are over 6,000 wind turbines in the UK, if we got more electric vehicles, they never be switched off due to the electricity not being needed.

 

They would however be useless when it's not windy, so they can't form the baseload provision, so with or without them we still need more power plants. Most of which can't actually be switched on or off quickly themselves, and so the wind power becomes largely irrelevant.

[Dan_Ashcroft]

It would be a good first step to amend the exhaust emissions threshold in the MOT test. Older vehicles which are the most polluting would probably end up being scrapped in view of the cost of conversion or upgrading with filters. This would have an immediate effect and avoid the introduction of any scrappage scheme, or congestion charges which costs millions for the "experts" and politicians to make a decision for any proposal which is always way beyond the governments term of office.

 

That would essentially be forcing working class people off the roads. Poorer people tend to have older cars. That's why it has to be incentivisation.

[Broakham]

An interesting article on electric trucks and vans.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40715793

[El Cid]

Most of which can't actually be switched on or off quickly themselves, and so the wind power becomes largely irrelevant.

 

Although the amount generated maybe small, if you had your own wind turbine or solar array, the savings would be very relevant.

[geared]

It would be a good first step to amend the exhaust emissions threshold in the MOT test.

 

That would essentially be forcing working class people off the roads. Poorer people tend to have older cars. That's why it has to be incentivisation.

 

Actually there is room for improvement with the MOT test especially with Diesel cars.

 

The emissions test for a diesel vehicle has remained un-changed for decades, a brand new 2017 car would take the same test with the same limits as a car from the 1980's, it's pretty stupid.

No test for NOx emissions, no test for particulate emissions, no CO2 test.

 

Literally all they do is check it doesn't chuck out tons of black smoke, it's the easiest test in the world to pass.

[Anna B]

Re: electric and hybrid cars, I think it's excellent news.

 

There's plenty of time to bring the technology up to speed, and now there's the motivation to do it. There will still probably be petrol cars on the road after that date, until they wear out, and I expect there will be a few exceptions for things like vintage cars, but generally I think it's certainly a move in the right direction.

 

I'm surprised people on SF aren't more in favour of it. Let's think about the planet for a change and people's health.

[geared]

I think people want to see the main issues of range and charge time sorted before fully switching (although a Hybrid is a good compromise)

 

I guess the government ultimatum gives the manufacturers a kick up the arse and a solid direction for where to spend future R&D money.

[samssong]

Ultimately the people that suffer due to the rush to get older cars of the roads are those who run these cars due to financial restrictions .

Some have looked after and maintained those cars for years hoping that they will remain on the road due to that care.

 

Will the extra power stations needed to serve all the increased electricity for charging these vehicles be pollution free , will the massive lead batteries be pollution free in manufacture and end of life disposal .

 

Should folk who have bought and maintained the same car for its life time doing their bit by not causing even more pollution due to changing every two or three years be penalised .

[rayggb]

Nobody is mentioning what's going to happen to the nuclear waste with the new plants we are going to need to generate the electric. Electric black cabs will be on sale in London later this year at 50k or more just as the licensing authorities throughout the land are letting the non tax paying Uber flood the market with private hire cabs.Talk about stupidity!.

[bazjea]

Originally Posted by barleycorn View Post

Charging time is pretty much irrelevant. You just need a fast way to change the batteries and a forecourt big enough to store/charge loads ready to go.

 

Quote Cyclone

"This setup isn't being actively pursued by any manufacturer though." You may be mistaken.

An Israeli company are already demonstrating one

 

http://gas2.org/2017/05/13/elecrtric-car-battery-300-mile-range-5-minute-charging-time-israeli-company

Edited July 28, 2017 by bazjea