tzijlstra Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 To me its an apprenticeship and should be funded so,they then should be tied to the nhs for a minimum period. I think this is sensible and might well be where things are heading. (Just to inform you, the bursary already required them to work for the NHS for a minimum period...) I don't think the student loan system is a bad thing for nurses, the bursary definitely was NOT a sufficient income whilst studying. The average nurse will never pay off their entire study loan anyway, so is effectively still subsidised by the state. Re the figures of nurses being on 21K to 49K - the top sector of nursing pay is only for a very select few. Most will average around 24-26K during their career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I am on the fence. Lots of people in lots of professions have to pay for their own courses and qualificiaton. Whilst I will never argue that nursing is not an important and under appreciated job. It is still a job. A career choice just like anyone else's career choice. Why SHOULD they get it for free when dozens of other just as valid professions have to pay their way. Another question is where does it end. If you give nurses free courses and free education what about other supposed "essential" and "underpaid" professions. Social workers? Support workers? Police Officers? Justices? Therapists? Community Leaders? Health and Safety Officers? Tradings Standards Officers? Civil Servants? Engineers? Prosecutors? Mediators? Legal aid lawyers? All could be argued to be essential in some circles but nobody would seriously suggest they all get their CPD training and career development paid for by the state. You should have flipped it the other way in saying that all higher education should be free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 seems everythings short these days, surprised the countries actually running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHRemovals Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 theire pay is very good when qualified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 I am on the fence. Lots of people in lots of professions have to pay for their own courses and qualificiaton. Whilst I will never argue that nursing is not an important and under appreciated job. It is still a job. A career choice just like anyone else's career choice. Why SHOULD they get it for free when dozens of other just as valid professions have to pay their way. Another question is where does it end. If you give nurses free courses and free education what about other supposed "essential" and "underpaid" professions. Social workers? Support workers? Police Officers? Justices? Therapists? Community Leaders? Health and Safety Officers? Tradings Standards Officers? Civil Servants? Engineers? Prosecutors? Mediators? Legal aid lawyers? All could be argued to be essential in some circles but nobody would seriously suggest they all get their CPD training and career development paid for by the state. Well have to see how it pans out but if numbers entering training collapse then the policy will inevitably be reversed. Question though: would you ask soldiers,police and firemen to pay for their own training? ---------- Post added 01-08-2017 at 20:47 ---------- theire pay is very good when qualified Not really. Not for what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 theire pay is very good when qualified No it isn't, it is poor pay for fully qualified professionals in a responsible role. Don't confuse HCAs with nurses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 theire pay is very good when qualified Your idea of good pay is pretty low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Well have to see how it pans out but if numbers entering training collapse then the policy will inevitably be reversed. Question though: would you ask soldiers,police and firemen to pay for their own training? ---------- Post added 01-08-2017 at 20:47 ---------- Not really. Not for what they do. There are certain professions that aren't going to attract people to them if there isn't free entry so it makes sense to provide incentives if demand requires it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 There are certain professions that aren't going to attract people to them if there isn't free entry so it makes sense to provide incentives if demand requires it. Indeed. Nursing could well be one of those professions. Removing the bursary is a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Indeed. Nursing could well be one of those professions. Removing the bursary is a gamble. It is a bit. But, the training is certainly up to standard - there can't be many countries where being a UK qualified nurse isn't a very useful way to emigrate, or it certainly was. How do we compare in terms of salary/training costs etc to the rest of the world? Do our nurses do more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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