Branyy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 You seem to think your opinion is separate from you somehow. In the example you used "I don't like black people" (I know it's just an example, don't worry), that opinion would make that person racist. In this case, a refusal to accept gender change or gender fluidity makes you something. Bigot is a bit of a broad term, but I can't think of a more specific one that applies. I don't completely agree with you on this. One can say "I don't like black people" in context of appearance, sexual preference, music/culture, etc without actually considering them inferior, treating them poorly or with prejudice. Similar with gender change - one can accept and respect gender change, treat the person fairly and address her/him as she/he wants but personally perceive them differently. One doesn't have to like everything, does he/she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I don't completely agree with you on this. One can say "I don't like black people" in context of appearance, sexual preference, music/culture, etc without actually considering them inferior, treating them poorly or with prejudice. Similar with gender change - one can accept and respect gender change, treat the person fairly and address her/him as she/he wants but personally perceive them differently. One doesn't have to like everything, does he/she? It's not a case of liking everything, the poster concerned perceives gender change as 'BS'. That may be wilful ignorance based on prejudice, considering that gender dysphoria is a recognised condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Only once they've had medical procedures such that they have no competitive advantage. Do you know of such a medical procedure that will turn a male into a female for such a purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's not a case of liking everything, the poster concerned perceives gender change as 'BS'. That may be wilful ignorance based on prejudice, considering that gender dysphoria is a recognised condition. No, i consider gender-fluidity as BS. I'm fine with the notion of someone actually transitioning - a man feels that he is actually a woman and goes through surgery and hormone treatment to transition and they become, to all intents, a woman, i get that. If someone looks male, has a deep voice and dresses in a masculine way, i will initially interact with them as though they are male. What i have a problem with is if said person then claims i'm being 'phobic' for 'assuming' their gender if they identify as 'fluid'. If they want me to use their preferred pronoun, so be it, i'll respect their right to request that of me... but i'll still think it's BS. They still have the right to be treated as a human being even if i disagree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Do you know of such a medical procedure that will turn a male into a female for such a purpose? Hormone therapy. The difference in testosterone accounts for the majority of the difference in strength between men and women. ---------- Post added 25-05-2018 at 12:40 ---------- One doesn't have to like everything, does he/she? As SnailyBoy said, there's a big difference between liking or not liking something and declaring the entire thing to be made up. I don't see how you can claim to respect someone being gender fluid if you've decided that being gender fluid is made up and thus the person is lying or deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 No, i consider gender-fluidity as BS. I'm fine with the notion of someone actually transitioning - a man feels that he is actually a woman and goes through surgery and hormone treatment to transition and they become, to all intents, a woman, i get that. If someone looks male, has a deep voice and dresses in a masculine way, i will initially interact with them as though they are male. What i have a problem with is if said person then claims i'm being 'phobic' for 'assuming' their gender if they identify as 'fluid'. If they want me to use their preferred pronoun, so be it, i'll respect their right to request that of me... but i'll still think it's BS. They still have the right to be treated as a human being even if i disagree with them. Have you really experienced that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Hormone therapy. The difference in testosterone accounts for the majority of the difference in strength between men and women. ---------- Post added 25-05-2018 at 12:40 ---------- As SnailyBoy said, there's a big difference between liking or not liking something and declaring the entire thing to be made up. I don't see how you can claim to respect someone being gender fluid if you've decided that being gender fluid is made up and thus the person is lying or deluded. Hormone therapy alters secondary sexual characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Have you really experienced that? Not being called 'phobic', but we had someone work with us as a temp for a few months who was gender fluid. The first day they came in, they were dressed more masculine, had stubble and a deep voice. They had long hair, but having a Meatloaf t-shirt on, i assumed that it was because they were a rock/metal fan. So, as far as anyone could tell, they were male... but they used a female name. Remembering the name wasn't an issue, but it was hard to remember to call them she/her etc. because my brain was talking to and about a male. I know, i know, people will claim it's my issue, and that's as maybe, but it does mess with your head. We actually got on really well, and they never pulled me up when i called them mate or dude, like i do for most men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fill Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I see a conflict behind you claiming to respect something whilst not agreeing that it's real or believing it. I see nothing wrong with and no need for conflict with both respecting something and not agreeing with it. Nor do I see any bigotry either. Any that think differently I believe are are just looking for an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENG601PM Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Hormone therapy. The difference in testosterone accounts for the majority of the difference in strength between men and women. Which hormone therapy is this that can reduce a male's muscle mass and cardiovascular capacity to that if a female? Can you link us to such an example of this therapy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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