gomgeg Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 Err , because they are MEN . Its quite easy to tell, look in the pants and if there's meat and two veg in there then you're a bloke. What's so difficult about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted September 11, 2018 Share Posted September 11, 2018 you do know we arent talking about Charles Bronson deciding to stick on a dress dont you? So, if men aren't a threat, why don't we just do away with gendered prisons? Very ladylike behaviour, i must say: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil-minx92 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 A post-op M to F person - who is (as far as they are concerned a woman), living as a woman, looks like a woman, dresses like a woman and behaves like a woman. Why should she not be in a women's prison again? Do you think a men's prison would be a safe and appropriate place? Would you be willing to insist that such a person is imprisoned with men? How do women behave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 How do women behave? This is the crux - the ones claiming that the world is sexist and misogynistic are ones actually trying to tell people who they are and what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomie Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Quote Halibut: A post-op M to F person - who is (as far as they are concerned a woman), living as a woman, looks like a woman, dresses like a woman and behaves like a woman. Why should she not be in a women's prison again? Do you think a men's prison would be a safe and appropriate place? Would you be willing to insist that such a person is imprisoned with men? Halibut - I don't know the answer to your question but I do know that it is not for men to say whether a trans woman should be imprisoned with female prisoners. That decision should be made by those who are biologically female - the prisoners themselves and the staff. Some of the women prisoners have very bad experiences of men and may be serving their sentences because of that. Despite surgery, hormone therapy etc trans women are still essentially male and it is simply wrong to insist that they share space with biological women if it is inappropriate and unwanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Post surgery trans females are not "essentially male". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jomie Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Yes they are essentially male. There are things which cannot be changed by taking hormones and undergoing surgery. For instance, they cannot change their chromosomes, male pelvis, distribution and structure of fat cells, propensity for some forms of illness. After death, identification of a body is done by DNA and by examining the skeleton. At that point the person is identified as either male or female. The transgender status is irrelevant. Some (hopefully just a few) transgender women become disillusioned after having all this treatment because they realise that they have not actually become female. Some are delighted with their transformation but more good, and long term research needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Despite what you claim they are not fundamentally male, you're confusing biological indications of sex with gender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil-minx92 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Despite what you claim they are not fundamentally male, you're confusing biological indications of sex with gender. Theres no confusion. Biological characteristics are what defines gender. You are confusing gender with gender identity- the personal sense of ones own gender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 You need to go back 72 pages and catch up. Gender and sex are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now