How do Sheffield road planners get it so wrong?

[damageandy]

To be perfectly honest the roads and designs are really not that bad, traffic is comparable with most other major cities.

 

Road space supply cannot keep up with the demand, you could plough vasts amounts of cash into more 'car' infrastructure and at peak times it will still be busy, because all it takes is one accident, broken down car, some idiot parking blocking the road while they run into the shop, or an idiot (or the vasts amounts of them) blocking a junction or roundabout to cause grid lock that then spreads across other roads and the city.

[Penistone999]

That really is absolute nonsense.

 

The Council (in partnership with the PTE) has for many years been spending millions of pounds every year on improving bus routes across the city. That means lots of physical measures to improve bus journey times and improving the infrastructure at bus stops. They also have in place traffic control systems again costing millions, to give buses and trams priority at traffic signals, again to improve journey times and punctuality.

 

A lot of the improvements they do on the routes actually helps all drivers by reducing hold ups and removing blockages, so to suggest they do nothing to improve public transport and do it all by inconveniencing drivers is absolutely untrue.

 

 

Yet you still claim SCC are not anti car ?

[Planner1]

Yet you still claim SCC are not anti car ?

 

Every city and town of any size in the UK has traffic control systems to give public transport priority. Traffic control systems are used to give buses and trams priority when they need it. Its nothing to do with being anti-car. Public transport needs to be as punctual as possible so a many people as possible will use it. That frees up roadspace for those who need to drive. So it's pro-car actually.

[Jeffrey Shaw]

Being new to Sheffield I am amazed at the amount of roundabouts and traffic lights. As for the state of the roads, there seems to be little need for speed humps

As to multiplying traffic lights: yes.

Try Shoreham Street/Sheaf Street.

Or Eyre Street/Arundel Gate.

Or Charter Row/Ecclesall Road.

Each has several in quick succession.

The best effect of traffic lights is when they're inoperative, esp at crossroads: all drivers can suddenly drive sensibly, politely, and cautiously!

[damageandy]

The best effect of traffic lights is when they're inoperative, esp at crossroads: all drivers can suddenly drive sensibly, politely, and cautiously!

 

When the lights are not working at busy crossroads it causes total chaos, i've been caught in it numerous times in places all across the city and its never more effective.

 

As for multiplying traffic lights all the examples you give are areas heavily used by pedestrians, much easy for someone sat in a little weather proof box to stop and start than making pedestrians walk to find a safe place to cross.

[Bargepole23]

As to multiplying traffic lights: yes.

Try Shoreham Street/Sheaf Street.

Or Eyre Street/Arundel Gate.

Or Charter Row/Ecclesall Road.

Each has several in quick succession.

The best effect of traffic lights is when they're inoperative, esp at crossroads: all drivers can suddenly drive sensibly, politely, and cautiously!

 

The best effect of traffic lights is when they're operating correctly, esp at pedestrian crossings: all pedestrians can cross the road safely.

 

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im not talking about myself but about visitors and tourists on whom the city economy depends

 

All those car parks are clearly signposted from the ring road and/or Park Sq roundabout, as are many others.

[Planner1]

Are the lights changed in Hillsborough when the match kicks out?

i just spent ages getting through and the lights seeme to be on red for a lot longer than usual

Yes they are.

 

Different signal timing plans will be programmed to come in for match traffic when fans are arriving and leaving.

 

The control room isn't normally staffed on Sundays, so if things didn't look normal with the signals, my guess is that there as been some sort of communications problem between the urban traffic control computer and the signal controller on-site. It happens occasionally.

[Cyclone]

They were manually over ridden to red for some reason on the approach down middlewood road before the match. After 5 mins sat at the lights I turned around and went via wisewood to Hillsborough.

[WalkleyIan]

SCC are diverting money from the 20mph rollout programme to fund a feasibility study on widening the IRR

 

So taking money from a scheme to encourage more walking and cycling to a one that will simply encourage more driving.

[max]

Surely this thread should be re-titled to read "Why aren't more Sheffield Forum members employed as road planners as they are far more knowledgeable than our current ones?"

 

Plus, when people criticise experts, it would help if they included their own job titles so everyone could tell them how to better do their jobs.