Mass shooting at Las Vegas music festival

[Harrystottle]

I can't see any legislative incompatibility in the US, between the 2nd Amendment and restricting both the supply of semi-automatic and automatic firearms and the range of (civilian-) legal calibres.

 

Quite so. There is really no good reason for anyone outside the armed forces to have an automatic weapon, so they should go.

 

Sensible gun control measures (to start with) should concentrate on the aspects of the Las Vegas shooting which resulted in so many casualties. Namely:-

1) The use of an fully automatic weapon.

2) Devices to convert semi-auto weapons to full auto.

3) High capacity magazines.

4) The possession of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

When you add all that up you get the ability to fire quickly and to reload quickly. Slow the rate of fire, the duration of fire and the rate at which a weapon can be reloaded and you reduce the casualties.

 

This needs to be done as a priority. After that you can consider handguns and semi autos.

[Bob Arctor]

Because guns are much harder to obtain in the UK.

 

Well yes, exactly. That is what nowt2pctoday is putting in overtime trying not to say.

[melthebell]

Quite so. There is really no good reason for anyone outside the armed forces to have an automatic weapon, so they should go.

 

Sensible gun control measures (to start with) should concentrate on the aspects of the Las Vegas shooting which resulted in so many casualties. Namely:-

1) The use of an fully automatic weapon.

2) Devices to convert semi-auto weapons to full auto.

3) High capacity magazines.

4) The possession of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

When you add all that up you get the ability to fire quickly and to reload quickly. Slow the rate of fire, the duration of fire and the rate at which a weapon can be reloaded and you reduce the casualties.

 

This needs to be done as a priority. After that you can consider handguns and semi autos.

all this is sensible and obvious

 

 

 

 

 

so the americans wont even look at it

 

instead they will probably pass the vote to allow the silencers

[nowt2pctoday]

Well yes, exactly. That is what nowt2pctoday is putting in overtime trying not to say.

 

any nutter that wants a gun in the uk could get one fairly easily if they had the persistence and the money, plenty of areas in most cities where for the right price asking the right questions would get you what you want, if you think different you are naive.

there are also many cases of replicas being made able to fire live rounds as i said its not the gun its the nutter using it.

[sgtkate]

any nutter that wants a gun in the uk could get one fairly easily if they had the persistence and the money, plenty of areas in most cities where for the right price asking the right questions would get you what you want, if you think different you are naive.

there are also many cases of replicas being made able to fire live rounds as i said its not the gun its the nutter using it.

 

So once again, why are the nutters in the UK not carrying out mass murders if guns are easy to get here?

[L00b]

So once again, why are the nutters in the UK not carrying out mass murders if guns are easy to get here?

Because -especially nowadays- they'd long get known and monitored before they even manage to acquire firearms

 

Whilst it's true (to an extent) that firearms (handguns mostly) were relatively 'easy' to get in the UK if you knew (i) where to go and (ii) who to ask (iii) how [particularly soon after the EE accession states fully joined the EU], that hasn't really been the case for a few years now, between the significantly-increased monitoring by authorities focused upon detecting/preventing fundamentalist terrorism, the equally significantly-increased monitoring (and stinging) of dark web market places by authorities, and the equally significantly-increased transnational collaboration of various authorities across the globe.

 

X-ray'ing of cars, vans, containers <etc.> at ports (of embarkation on the Continent) and of parcels by postal services and couriers is just one of the more obvious and visible manifestations of it.

 

And if you still managed (somehow) to get through all that scrutiny in this day and age, and acquire an illegal firearm in the UK...99.9% chances are it'd still be a 15 rnds semi-auto pistol (at best, rather than a vintage and rusty decades-old job) than a semi- or full-auto M4/AK/<etc.> rifle.

 

I daresay illegal firearms (of the law enforcement/military type) must be thermite-hot property in 2017: too dangerous to keep, and even more dangerous than that to 'retail', even for the most reckless of ne'er-do-wells.

 

Posts like nowt2pctoday just perpetuate a common myth, nothing more.

Edited October 5, 2017 by L00b

[sgtkate]

Because -especially nowadays- they'd long get known and monitored before they even manage to acquire firearms

 

Whilst it's true (to an extent) that firearms (handguns mostly) were relatively 'easy' to get in the UK if you knew (i) where to go and (ii) who to ask (iii) how [particularly soon after the EE accession states fully joined the EU], that hasn't really been the case for a few years now, between the significantly-increased monitoring by authorities focused upon detecting/preventing fundamentalist terrorism, the equally significantly-increased monitoring (and stinging) of dark web market places by authorities, and the equally significantly-increased transnational collaboration of various authorities across the globe.

 

X-ray'ing of cars, vans, containers <etc.> at ports (of embarkation on the Continent) and of parcels by postal services and couriers is just one of the more obvious and visible manifestations of it.

 

And if you still managed (somehow) to get through all that scrutiny in this day and age, and acquire an illegal firearm in the UK...99.9% chances are it'd still be a 15 rnds semi-auto pistol (at best, rather than a vintage and rusty decades-old job) than a semi- or full-auto M4/AK/<etc.> rifle.

 

I daresay illegal firearms (of the law enforcement/military type) must be thermite-hot property in 2017: too dangerous to keep, and even more dangerous than that to 'retail', even for the most reckless of ne'er-do-wells.

 

Posts like nowt2pctoday just perpetuate a common myth, nothing more.

 

Indeed. Yet he seems to fail to understand this.

[melthebell]

Anybody else sickened by trumps, response? Seems very empty, knowing he won't do a Damn thing to stop these things from happening, despite saying, all these nice things about the victims, emergency response teams and his country. Morally bankrupt springs to mind

[tinfoilhat]

any nutter that wants a gun in the uk could get one fairly easily if they had the persistence and the money, plenty of areas in most cities where for the right price asking the right questions would get you what you want, if you think different you are naive.

there are also many cases of replicas being made able to fire live rounds as i said its not the gun its the nutter using it.

 

What a load of old flannel. Youre telling me the nutters who did the recent knife/car attacks in london used knives because they fancied a challenge? Bobbins.

[The Joker]

Anybody else sickened by trumps, response? Seems very empty, knowing he won't do a Damn thing to stop these things from happening, despite saying, all these nice things about the victims, emergency response teams and his country. Morally bankrupt springs to mind

 

Look on the bright side, the Trumpet says the entire country is united

 

After he spent so long sowing disunity amongst the population