Top Cats Hat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Nightbird said: I think he was making a general point about anyone of any race that does nothing but criticize America, inviting them to go and live elsewhere if they don't like it, He certainly wasn’t making a general point. His comments then and now, were directed very specifically at four democratically elected congresswoman who were voted into office to make changes that would benefit their constituents. By advising them to leave the country if they don’t like it, Trump is effectively saying that only those who agree with him should have a voice, ie he now wishes to replace democracy with dictatorship. By supporting him, can we take it that you also believe in dictatorship? You certainly seem to think that only the views of the minority who voted for Brexit should be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Nightbird said: You may be technically correct with Trump but that is the anomaly in their electoral college system. As for Brexit, of the people that participated in the vote, numerically more people voted to Leave than to stay. What is it about that you find hard to grasp? Numerically speaking, how many of the people that participated in the vote and voted to Leave indeed, voted to Leave without any form of agreement with the EU27? Same hair-splitting as whole population vs electoral college, m'Lord 8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: (...) By supporting him, can we take it that you also believe in dictatorship? You certainly seem to think that only the views of the minority who voted for Brexit should be considered. Trump and Brexit supporters don't believe in anything other than 'winning at all costs', and consequences be damned. That is, fundamentally, the problem with current polarised politics: they leave no room whatsoever for reasoned and consensual politics. It's also how and why politicians such as the Brexit Party MEPs, Grayling and so many others, manage to get elected or appointed to such important roles, when really they should put their knife-sharp intellects away, lest they accidentally butter someone's toast with it. Edited July 16, 2019 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbird Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: He certainly wasn’t making a general point. His comments then and now, were directed very specifically at four democratically elected congresswoman who were voted into office to make changes that would benefit their constituents. By advising them to leave the country if they don’t like it, Trump is effectively saying that only those who agree with him should have a voice, ie he now wishes to replace democracy with dictatorship. By supporting him, can we take it that you also believe in dictatorship? You certainly seem to think that only the views of the minority who voted for Brexit should be considered. Are you referring to " the squad"? in a black community context that term is an unhelpful stereotype and they and their supporters would do well to avoid using it. As for your Brexit comment, you're embarrassing yourself as there was obviously even lees support for remain. Edited July 16, 2019 by Nightbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Nightbird said: Are you referring to " the squad"? in a black community context that term is an unhelpful stereotype and they and their supporters would do well to avoid using it. As for your Brexit comment, you're embarrassing yourself as there was obviously even lees support for remain. I have no idea what your first sentence means. So do you agree with Trump that democratically elected politicians who oppose his policy should leave the country? There are quite a few Remain supporting MPs who were born outside the UK. Should they also leave the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbird Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: I have no idea what your first sentence means. So do you agree with Trump that democratically elected politicians who oppose his policy should leave the country? There are quite a few Remain supporting MPs who were born outside the UK. Should they also leave the UK? Those congresswomen have been dubbed "the squad." From Urban Dictionary: Crew, posse, gang: an informal group of individuals with a common identity and a sense of solidarity. The term is a bit flashy and is more likely to be heard in hip-hop lyrics than in spoken conversation. You step to me, and my whole squad will come down on you. Its a shame that a group of black women have to be characterised as a "squad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nightbird said: Those congresswomen have been dubbed "the squad." By Trump? 😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbird Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said: By Trump? 😲 I've seen their supporters using the term, in YouTube comments etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I’m still confused. What has this to do with Trump telling them to ‘go home if they don’t like it’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: I’m still confused. What has this to do with Trump telling them to ‘go home if they don’t like it’? Standard obfuscating tactic, as used by JamesR123 yesterday: make up a strawman with the aim of accusing the poster objecting to the latest hard right dog whistle (Trump's tweet, here), of being a racist because (according to the strawman argument-) they're using or condoning a racist term. Edited July 16, 2019 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightbird Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: I’m still confused. What has this to do with Trump telling them to ‘go home if they don’t like it’? Don't perpetuate racial stereotypes and bleat about racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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