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[Magilla]

19 minutes ago, trastrick said:

You mean the liar that denied a "gain of function" grant to  communist Chinese Wuhan Biological Research Lab?

The repeated claim that Fauci lied to Congress about ‘gain-of-function’ research:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/29/repeated-claim-that-fauci-lied-congress-about-gain-of-function-research/

"Two Pinocchios"

 

...but so much for that claim that anti-vaxers aren't taking their cues from Republican talking points!

 

Q.E.D!

 

 

[trastrick]

On 03/12/2021 at 07:44, Magilla said:

The repeated claim that Fauci lied to Congress about ‘gain-of-function’ research:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/29/repeated-claim-that-fauci-lied-congress-about-gain-of-function-research/

"Two Pinocchios"

 

...but so much for that claim that anti-vaxers aren't taking their cues from Republican talking points!

 

Q.E.D!

 

 

UPDATE!

 

"'Bombshell' NIH letter on bat coronavirus research reveals Fauci's big lie, professor says"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/bombshell-nih-letter-on-bat-coronavirus-research-reveals-faucis-big-lie-professor-says

 

A leading critic of the National Institutes of Health contends the federal agency “put at risk” U.S. public health and national security by funding a bat coronavirus research project by EcoHealth Alliance.

 

Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told the Washington Examiner that a new letter in which the NIH conceded that the group run by Peter Daszak violated its rules when conducting bat coronavirus research is a "bombshell" admission because it “corrects the untruthful assertions” by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci and his boss, NIH Director Francis Collins, both of whom claim the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China.

 

 

Ebright’s assertions are challenged by the NIH, which continues to back the contentions made by Collins, who is retiring from his role , and Fauci on the politically charged issue that strikes at the root of the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Lawrence Tabak, the NIH's principal deputy director, said in the Wednesday letter that EcoHealth Alliance provided a five-year progress report on bat coronavirus research conducted under an NIH grant and that “in this limited experiment, laboratory mice infected with the SHC014 WIV1 bat coronavirus became sicker than those infected with the WIV1 bat coronavirus.”

 

“As sometimes occurs in science, this was an unexpected result of the research, as opposed to something that the researchers set out to do," the agency said, adding: “EcoHealth failed to report this finding right away, as was required by the terms of the grant.”

 

With critics, including Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, contending the letter confirms that the Wuhan lab collaborator had indeed been conducting gain-of-function research , Ebright said, “NIH's acknowledgment of the facts is new, but the facts themselves are not.” He insisted the NIH had been “informed about the gain-of-function research in Wuhan in 2018 and again in 2020.”

 

 

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Rand Paul › Nih

 

Sep 9, 2021 — Newly released grant proposals indicate the National Institutes of Health funded controversial gain of function research—appearing to ...

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Rand Paul › Nih

 

Maybe the WashPost will get around to "correcting" their reporting on this issue.

 

e.g.

 

The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com › style › 2021/11/12

Nov 12, 2021 — "New reporting and the recent indictment of a dossier contributor led The Post to decide it could no longer stand by the stories".

 

Lol

Edited December 4, 2021 by trastrick

[Longcol]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

UPDATE!

 

"'Bombshell' NIH letter on bat coronavirus research reveals Fauci's big lie, professor says"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/bombshell-nih-letter-on-bat-coronavirus-research-reveals-faucis-big-lie-professor-says

 

A leading critic of the National Institutes of Health contends the federal agency “put at risk” U.S. public health and national security by funding a bat coronavirus research project by EcoHealth Alliance.

 

Richard Ebright, a professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, told the Washington Examiner that a new letter in which the NIH conceded that the group run by Peter Daszak violated its rules when conducting bat coronavirus research is a "bombshell" admission because it “corrects the untruthful assertions” by National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci and his boss, NIH Director Francis Collins, both of whom claim the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China.

 

 

Ebright’s assertions are challenged by the NIH, which continues to back the contentions made by Collins, who is retiring from his role , and Fauci on the politically charged issue that strikes at the root of the coronavirus pandemic.

 

Lawrence Tabak, the NIH's principal deputy director, said in the Wednesday letter that EcoHealth Alliance provided a five-year progress report on bat coronavirus research conducted under an NIH grant and that “in this limited experiment, laboratory mice infected with the SHC014 WIV1 bat coronavirus became sicker than those infected with the WIV1 bat coronavirus.”

 

“As sometimes occurs in science, this was an unexpected result of the research, as opposed to something that the researchers set out to do," the agency said, adding: “EcoHealth failed to report this finding right away, as was required by the terms of the grant.”

 

With critics, including Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, contending the letter confirms that the Wuhan lab collaborator had indeed been conducting gain-of-function research , Ebright said, “NIH's acknowledgment of the facts is new, but the facts themselves are not.” He insisted the NIH had been “informed about the gain-of-function research in Wuhan in 2018 and again in 2020.”

 

 

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Rand Paul › Nih

 

Sep 9, 2021 — Newly released grant proposals indicate the National Institutes of Health funded controversial gain of function research—appearing to ...

https://www.newsweek.com › ... › Rand Paul › Nih

Sep 9, 2021 — Newly released grant proposals indicate the National Institutes of Health funded controversial gain of function research—appearing to ...

 

Maybe the WashPost will get around to "correcting" their reporting on this issue.

 

e.g.

 

The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com › style › 2021/11/12

Nov 12, 2021 — "New reporting and the recent indictment of a dossier contributor led The Post to decide it could no longer stand by the stories".

 

Lol

Washington Examiner and Rand Paul in one post.

 

Dodgy as hell 😎

[trastrick]

12 hours ago, Longcol said:

Washington Examiner and Rand Paul in one post.

 

Dodgy as hell 😎

Fauci, like Biden is a 50 year Swamp dweller, (on the taxpayer dime) now with his extended 15 minutes of fame working as "Biden's appointed " director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and the Chief Medical Advisor to the President (Biden)" Also CNN'S regular and always reliable Trump hater.  This very busy celeb has many hats!

 

Fauci (referring to his "turbulent" relationship with former President Trump) opined, "during his first press conference under the Biden administration, Fauci signaled the days of overconfidence and loose facts were over.

"One of the things new with this administration is if you don't know the answer, don't guess," he said in January. "Just say you don't know the answer." - Medical advice? Lol

 

Lol

 

About overconfidence, and loose facts, Lol

 

Fauci, March 3, 2020: 

 

"Fauci, director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, said that the earliest the US could possibly get a vaccine would be in 12 or even 18 months — "at least.!"

"Even a year-and-a-half would be staggeringly fast for vaccine development, and some experts have voiced concerns that a vaccine produced on that timeline could hurtle too quickly through safety trials."

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-quest-18-months-fauci-experts-flag-dangers-testing-2020-4

 

Trump, May 15, 2020

"Coronavirus vaccine could come this year, Trump ..."
"President Trump claimed that a coronavirus vaccine could come within months, even as experts and vaccine developers say it's a year away.
https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › donald-trump › f...

 

Fact Checking MSM  NBC, CNN, CBS WashPost, all agreed with Fauci.

 

Fact and Reality:

 

December 11, 2020

"FDA Takes Key Action in Fight Against COVID-19 By Issuing Emergency Use Authorization for First COVID-19 Vaccine"

"Action Follows Thorough Evaluation of Available Safety, Effectiveness, and Manufacturing Quality Information by FDA Career Scientists, Input from Independent Experts

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-key-action-fight-against-covid-19-issuing-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

 

Now, as always, in politics, "follow the money".

 

Taxpayer paid  Medical Officer, or Biden COVID policy publicist? 

 

Forbes -  "Dr. Anthony Fauci: The Highest Paid Employee In The Entire U.S. Federal Government"

 

"Dr. Anthony Fauci made $417,608 in 2019, the latest year for which federal salaries are available. That made him not only the highest paid doctor in the federal government, but the highest paid out of all four million federal employees. (he's also a CNN go to regular)

 

"Dr. Fauci, however, has taken the lead role in pandemic-related public outreach efforts for the last 18 months. American taxpayers might wonder why they’re footing the bill for Dr. Fauci’s salary when they’re already paying for a small army of public affairs professionals.

 

"In fact, Dr. Fauci even made more than the $400,000 salary of the President of the United States. All salary data was collected by OpenTheBooks.com via Freedom of Information Act requests.

 

"Furthermore, since the release of Dr. Fauci’s emails by The Washington Post and BuzzFeed, material questions have emerged as to whether the doctor misled the public during his media interviews.

 

Last week, National Geographic, Amazon AMZN -1.4%, and other booksellers removed a pre-sale option to purchase Dr. Fauci’s book from their websites after his contradictory emails became public.

 

For example, a National Geographic interview with Dr. Fauci from May 2020 is still posted on the outlet’s website entitled, “No Scientific Evidence The Coronavirus Was Made In A Chinese Lab.” However, Dr. Fauci recently admitted further investigation is necessary and his emails show he was alerted to the lab-leak theory as early as February 2020.

 

See more at:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/06/15/dr-anthony-faucis-400-media-events-cost-taxpayers-during-the-pandemic/?sh=fd0ff6712c31

 

On the other hand, with no known political connections:

 

Richard H. "Ebright was appointed as a faculty member in the Department of Chemistry at Rutgers University and as a Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology in 1987.^[1] He was co-appointed as an Investigator of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute from 1997 to 2013.^[1]

 

Ebright was appointed as a faculty member in the Department of Chemistry at Rutgers University and as a Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology in 1987.[1] He was co-appointed as an Investigator of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute from 1997 to 2013.[1]

 

Ebright has performed research on protein-DNA interaction,[3][4][5] transcription initiation,[6][7][8][9][10][11][12] transcription activation,[13][14][15][16][17][18] transcription-translation coupling,[19] and antibacterial drug discovery.[20][21][22][23][24][25] Ebright's research results include the experimental demonstration that amino-acid-base contacts mediate DNA sequence recognition in protein–DNA interaction,[3] the determination of the three-dimensional structural organization of the transcription initiation complex;[6][7][10][11] the demonstration that transcription start-site selection and initial transcription involve a "DNA scrunching" mechanism;[8][9][12] the demonstration that transcription activation can proceed by a "recruitment" mechanism;[13][14][15][17][18] the demonstration that bacterial transcription-translation coupling involves direct physical bridging of RNA polymerase and a ribosome by NusA and NusG;[19] and the identification of novel antibacterial drug targets in bacterial RNA polymerase.[20][21][22][23][24][25]

 

In 1994, Ebright was awarded the American Society of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Schering-Plough Award for his research on transcription activation.[26] In 1995, he received the Academic Press Walter J. Johnson Prize.[27] In 2013, he received a National Institutes of Health MERIT Award.[28] He was elected as a Fellow of the American Academy of Microbiology in 1996,[29] the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 2004,[30] the Infectious Diseases Society of America in 2011,[31] and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2016.[32]

 

He has opposed the proliferation of laboratories working on biological weapons agents[33][34][35][36][37][38] and has supported the strengthening of biosafety and biosecurity measures to reduce risks of release of biological weapons.[39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]

 

Ebright has stated that the genome and properties of SARS-CoV-2 provide no basis to conclude the virus was engineered as a bioweapon,[51][52] but he also has stated that the possibility that the virus entered humans through a laboratory accident cannot be dismissed[53][54][55][56][57] and has called for a thorough investigation of the origin of the pandemic and for measures to reduce the risk of future pandemics.[58][59][60][61][62] Ebright has accused NIAID director Tony Fauci, NIH director Francis Collins and deputy director Lawrence Tabak of "lying to the public", about their past and continuous denials of NIH funding having been utilized for banned gain-of-function experiments at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.[63][64] -WIKI

 

He has no known political connections to the Swamp.

 

Feel free to chose your information sources!

 

Lol

 

 

 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by trastrick

[RJRB]

Well you have convinced yourself with your diligent research.Its the usual case of finding what you are looking for prevalent on all social media .

 

[trastrick]

No.

 

I followed politics for some 60 years. I happened to live through these political events, followed them closely at the time. If the Left are able to re-write history, my real life experience just did not happen.

 

I know the real events occurred, but it takes longer to find them now, Google algorithms, massive Wiki edits, social media censorship, paywalls of the former "Newspapers of Record" all designed to ensure the leftist "narrative", becomes the "conventional wisdom".

 

The Washington Post corrects, removes parts of two stories ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com › style › 2021/11/12

Nov 12, 2021 — New reporting and the recent indictment of a dossier contributor led The Post to decide it could no longer stand by the stories.

 

When history is written, what will their sources be?

 

Orwell said something about that!

 

Smart guy!

Edited December 4, 2021 by trastrick

[Longcol]

So remind us, how did Trump do in the 2020 presidential election and why has he been lying about it ever since without a shred of evidence?

[butlers]

Was it he lost by his own reckoning a landslide and by over 7 million votes ?

 

Indeed his rival got a historic amount of the popular vote.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by butlers

[trastrick]

9 hours ago, Longcol said:

So remind us, how did Trump do in the 2020 presidential election and why has he been lying about it ever since without a shred of evidence?

Trump lost the 2020 election.

 

But he, and some 67,000,000 of his followers, feel the Government of the U.S, using their own tax dollars. was weaponized against him.

 

Obama's CIA Director was a regular on CNN calling Trump "Traitorous".  Speaker Pelosi called him "crazy",  Obviously these are not "fringe conspiracy theorists", and many voters trusted them, as they were in a position to know the truth

 

But 6 years of failed FBI investigations, a 2 year Special Prosecutor witch hunt, 2, (yes 2, Lol) failed Impeachment Trials, a Fake Clinton "Russian Collusion Dossier", and some 22 State Attorneys General still trying come up with something to hang on him. Every Trump associate,  has at one time or another been Subpoenaed to hopefully find something they can pin on him. It continues even today.

 

And fed to the hungry Trump haters in the MSM who repeated endlessly 24/7 for 5 years, every false claim and rumor they could dig up.

 

And in spite of the unprecedented cost to both taxpayers, Trump and his associates, of this failed partisan witch hunt they have found nothing to charge him with in a real Court of Law. Not even an unpaid speeding ticket, Lol

 

Now, after the election, no word yet from Pelosi on her failed Russian Dossier Impeachment, but Brennan says he was wrong, as did fired Obama FBI Director, Comey,

 

Now I don't know about you folks, but some people, myself included, don't feel it was a fair and free election,  and some 67,000,00 Republican voters feel their candidate had the election "stolen"

 

Today the entire country feels that U.S. politics is rigged, both Left and Right. The Left claim "voter intimidation" and the Right demand voter ID, and other Institutional Reforms

 

Even Hillary advised Biden, before the election: "under NO CIRCUMSTANCES concede!"

 

So which ever side you are on, nobody is happy with the present state of U.S. politics.

 

It is what it is!

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by trastrick

[Cyclecar]

There's a lot of premature speculation on this.....

 

The next US presidential election is not due until 5th November 2024, and so many things can change between now and then. 

 

Who will be the candidates? Biden says he will only do one term but once they're in they get a taste for it. Will he shift? The left wing Democrats want their person on  - will it be Harris?  She is not popular with the whole party. 

 

Will the Republicans want Trump on the ticket? Will he put his name up? If they don't pick him he might run as an independent and split the vote, letting the Dems in. If he does stand you can bet there will be a flurry of litigation from well-wishers trying to cancel him. 

 

But you feel that whichever party fields a 40 something candidate who can actually run up and down the 'plane steps will win the day. No more gerontocracy.

 

When do the knock-out stages begin - late 2022?