Magilla Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) On 25/02/2022 at 11:39, trastrick said: Boston Herald Biden Lacks Punch and Putin Knows It "“Whatever you think of Donald Trump, he never would have allowed Vladimir Putin to run circles around him, which is what Putin has done to hapless Joe Biden. And he certainly would not have appeased Putin and given the Russian president everything he asked for from the START treaty to greenlighting Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline, without getting something in return. All Biden got from Putin was grief. Trump is a businessman and that is what businessmen do. They do not give things away without getting something in return. He is also a bully who knows how to deal with other bullies.” https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/02/24/lucas-biden-lacks-trumps-punch-and-putin-knows-it/ Falls at the first hurdle with the statement: "Biden has turned the U.S from an energy independent nation into a country that now imports oil from Russia." ...it isn't true Monthly US oil production had the largest short term drop, in history, under Trump Is The U.S. Energy Independent?: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/ "However, thus far the price surge is primarily a result of 3 million barrels per day (BPD) of oil production that was lost in the spring of 2020 that hasn’t fully recovered. Demand has fully recovered, so that is the fundamental reason for the surge in prices. Further, that surge began in the fall of 2020 — five months before President Trump left office. The energy independence that we gained in 2019, was lost in the second half of 2020 as energy production plunged, but energy demand recovered. In May 2020, we had flipped back to a net oil importer, and we have oscillated since." What we have seen under Biden is a continuation of the trend that started in September 2020, before he took office! On the plus side, the number of rigs drilling for oil in the US has risen by 62% under Biden, so he may well regain the energy independence that Trump lost... and keep it! Edited February 27, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Magilla said: Falls at the first hurdle with the statement: "Biden has turned the U.S from an energy independent nation into a country that now imports oil from Russia." ...it isn't true Is The U.S. Energy Independent?: https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/ "However, thus far the price surge is primarily a result of 3 million barrels per day (BPD) of oil production that was lost in the spring of 2020 that hasn’t fully recovered. Demand has fully recovered, so that is the fundamental reason for the surge in prices. Further, that surge began in the fall of 2020 — five months before President Trump left office. The energy independence that we gained in 2019, was lost in the second half of 2020 as energy production plunged, but energy demand recovered. In May 2020, we had flipped back to a net oil importer, and we have oscillated since." What we have seen since Biden took office is a continuation of the trend that started in September 2020, under Trump. Some trend! "Russia producers nearly tripled shipments of oil to the United States in 2021 – in 2020, the United States imported from Russia on average 76,000 barrels per day (bpd), while in 2021, that figure rose to 209,000 bpd, according to data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy". It rained yesterday. Blame Trump! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, trastrick said: Some trend! "Russia producers nearly tripled shipments of oil to the United States in 2021 – in 2020, the United States imported from Russia on average 76,000 barrels per day (bpd), while in 2021, that figure rose to 209,000 bpd, according to data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy". So, your claim of energy independence was BS when you made it... ...the US did not enjoy energy independence when Trump left office! Huge surprise... A bit daft to post an article based on something you knew was false though... ...who were you trying to fool, yourself? In reality, the US’s march to energy independence slowed under Trump: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/09/americas-rapid-march-to-energy-independence-has-slowed-under-trump.html ...it would have happened earlier without him, and he couldn't keep it up! Quote It rained yesterday. Blame Trump! Weird how almost everything you like to moan about these days actually began under Trump though... isn't it! Monthly US oil production had the largest short term drop in history under Trump! On the plus side, the number of rigs drilling for oil in the US has risen by 62% under Biden, so he may well regain the energy independence that Trump lost... and keep it! Edited February 27, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Magilla said: So, your claim of energy independence was BS when you made it... ...the US did not enjoy energy independence when Trump left office! Huge surprise... A bit daft to post an article based on something you knew was false though! Who were you trying to fool, yourself? Weird how almost everything you like to moan about these days actually began under Trump though... isn't it! What's really weird is how Trump gets ALL the blame for everything going on today, and Biden gets none, from the sycophants. I mean, the man has been out of office for over a year! Lol Politico's factcheck of Trump's promise to make the U.S. Energy independent - Half True "U.S. nears ‘energy independence’ Trump promised during 2016 campaign" The U.S. hasn't achieved the "complete American energy independence" that President Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail in 2016, but the country is moving toward it" https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1359/achieve-energy-independence/ That was in June 2020, before COVID hit the fan, and all economic bets were off the table! So I'll accept Politicos "half true" on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, trastrick said: What's really weird is how Trump gets ALL the blame for everything going on today, and Biden gets none, from the sycophants. He's getting some blame for most of the things you like to blame Biden for... ...because in reality, they started on his watch. Quote Politico's factcheck of Trump's promise to make the U.S. Energy independent - Half True "U.S. nears ‘energy independence’ Trump promised during 2016 campaign" The U.S. hasn't achieved the "complete American energy independence" that President Donald Trump promised on the campaign trail in 2016, but the country is moving toward it" https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1359/achieve-energy-independence/ That was in June 2020, before COVID hit the fan, and all economic bets were off the table! So I'll accept Politicos "half true" on this one. Since it backs up my claims, me too! Trump did not achieve energy independence, but continued a trend started a decade earlier. According to your link: "hydraulic fracturing has largely driven the trend"... driven as a direct result of legislation passed by Obama! You have no problem with Trump taking credit for something that mostly happened under Obama and only happened cause of Obamas policies, but when it comes to Biden you can't conceive of the notion! Colour me shocked...! Edited February 27, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Magilla said: He's getting some blame for most of the things you like to blame Biden for... ...because in reality, they started on his watch. Since it backs up my claims, me too! Trump did not achieve energy independence, but continued a trend started a decade earlier. According to your link: "hydraulic fracturing has largely driven the trend"... started under Obama! So what you're saying is that you have no problem with Trump taking credit for something that mostly happened under Obama, but when it comes to Biden you can't conceive of the notion! Colour me shocked...! Not so fast Moriarty! I take back my acceptance of Politico's rating of "half true". What in heaven does that really mean, anyway? (Politico has a Lean Left AllSides Media Bias Rating™.) Here's something more credible than Politico. Statistica Energy imports in the U.S. - Statistics & facts Sep 7, 2020 The United States is a net exporter of energy. 2019 was the first year in a half century that the U.S. produced more energy than it consumed and was able to export greater volumes of primary energy than it needed to import. This is the result of increased domestic oil and natural gas production as well as greater use of renewables, and a decline in primary energy demand. Energy consumption came to 94.65 exajoules in 2019. https://www.statista.com/topics/3027/us-energy-imports/#dossierKeyfigures Thank you Donald! Edited February 27, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, trastrick said: Not so fast Moriarty! I take back my acceptance of Politico's rating of "half true". What in heaven does that really mean, anyway? It refers to "complete energy independence", as the article makes clear in the headline... ...as in, being able to keep it up... Donald couldn't Quote Here's something more credible than Politico. Statistica Energy imports in the U.S. - Statistics & facts Sep 7, 2020 The United States is a net exporter of energy. 2019 was the first year in a half century that the U.S. produced more energy than it consumed and was able to export greater volumes of primary energy than it needed to import. This is the result of increased domestic oil and natural gas production as well as greater use of renewables, and a decline in primary energy demand. Energy consumption came to 94.65 exajoules in 2019. https://www.statista.com/topics/3027/us-energy-imports/#dossierKeyfigures ...and then, the next month US oil production had the largest short term drop in history. The US was not energy independent when Trump left office! The vast majority of the march to energy independence happened on Obama's watch and most of that, particularly "hydraulic fracturing", are as a direct result of Obama policies. Like Trumps job numbers... standing on the shoulders of giants! Quote Thank you Donald! ...for immediately crashing the bus into the ditch at the finish line! Edited February 27, 2022 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butlers Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Bill Barr Reportedly Burns His Bridges in Scathing Tell All, Sounds Off on Trump’s ‘Erratic Personal Behavior’ and Blames Him for Jan. 6 https://flip.it/5O7v2h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 On 25/02/2022 at 13:12, SheffieldBricky said: New York Times has reported Trump told Putin if he invaded Ukraine he would bomb Moscow. This is what a real source (MSM) looks like: "Putin’s Aggression Leaves His Right-Wing Fan Club Squirming The Russian strongman has for years been idolized by a Who’s Who of populist, nationalist leaders. They are now stumbling over what to say". New York Times 26/02/2022 As Putin ran rings around Trump it really does not matter what Trump allegedly says now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I’m old enough to remember when Trump denied military aid to Ukraine and tried to blackmail that country into running psyops against Biden; and promised to withdraw the US from NATO during his 2nd term. 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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