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[altus]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Matter of fact they sent a Trump Org Official to jail today for 3 months for among other related things, not paying taxes on his company car, and other corporate perks.

Don't try and minimise his crimes - Allen Weisselberg, Trump Organization financial chief, pleads guilty to tax fraud

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Weisselberg, 75, has worked for the Trump family for five decades. He was charged with accepting more than $1.7m in off-the-books compensation from the former president’s company, including untaxed perks like rent, car payments and school tuition.

Quizzed repeatedly by judge Juan Merchan about whether he and the Trump Organization had committed criminal conduct in relation to the charges, Weisselberg repeated again and again: “Yes, your honor.”

Weisselberg pleaded guilty to 15 charges and faced a 15-year sentence. Under the agreement, he is expected to serve a five-month prison term at New York’s notorious Rikers Island jail. He will also have to pay back close to $2m in taxes he owed, prosecutors said in court.

The Trump Organization is preparing to go to trial in October, facing similar charges of illicit business practices, and as part of the agreement, Weisselberg has agreed to testify against the company. He has refused to testify against Trump himself.

 

[Magilla]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

No sensible person would dismiss the possiblity, that a biionaire, businessman, television star, President, has not run afoul of some law, at some time, over his lifetime.

Then no sensible person could possibly say the investigation is unwarranted, or in any way unfair.

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

His zealous political opponents have 2 months remaining before the election, to indict him, or charge him with some malfeasance, and given their unlimited scope, and resources, not to mention their real desperation, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

In this matter, nope!

 

It's not his political opponents who're conducting the investigation, and it won't be his political opponents who adjudicate over any outcome.

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Matter of fact they sent a Trump Org Official to jail today for 3 months for among other related things, not paying taxes on his company car, and other corporate perks.

Misleading as usual, he did far far more than that.

 

Regardless, he is guilty, he's admitted his guilt and sought a plea bargain.

 

He's also compelled to tell the truth in any other cases pending, or his plea bargain goes out the window.

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

But Colluding with Russia, bribing a foreign President, and leading an armed insurrection againt the U.S. Government, or committing Espionage, which required the removal of his passport, not so much.

So far, not cleared or exonerated for any of them. His passports have been returned.

 

He did try to bribe a foreign President, he did incite an armed insurrection.

 

He's not being charged with espionage, he's charged with a breach of the Espionage Act... one does not necessarily lead to the other

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Of that, the law says, he is Innocent, Until Proven Guilty.

So was Hillary, didn't stop her being investigated, or Trump screaming "Lock Her Up" even after she was proven innocent!

 

 

The law doesn't say he's immune from investigation for possible crimes tho...

 

So just like any case, when the investigation is concluded and any evidence collected, the charges will either be dropped, or he'll be indicted.

 

If the latter, then he'll have his day in court just like anyone else would.

5 minutes ago, altus said:

Don't try and minimise his crimes - Allen Weisselberg, Trump Organization financial chief, pleads guilty to tax fraud

Utterly pathetic, isn't it

[Annie Bynnol]

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

No sensible person would dismiss the possiblity, that a biionaire, businessman, television star, President, has not run afoul of some law, at some time, over his lifetime.

 

His zealous political opponents have 2 months remaining before the election, to indict him, or charge him with some malfeasance, and given their unlimited scope, and resources, not to mention their real desperation, I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

 

Matter of fact they sent a Trump Org Official to jail today for 3 months for among other related things, not paying taxes on his company car, and other corporate perks.

 

But Colluding with Russia, bribing a foreign President, and leading an armed insurrection againt the U.S. Government, or committing Espionage, which required the removal of his passport, not so much.

 

Of that, the law says, he is Innocent, Until Proven Guilty.

"No sensible person would dismiss..."  Weisselberg as a mere 'Trump Org Official'  considering he was their Chief Financial Officer.

 

"No sensible person would dismiss..." as "...other related things..." his admitted guilt to multiple tax fraud charges and helping  top officials in the Trump Organization to avoid paying tax for over 15 years. 

For this he  agreed to pay nearly $2 million back tax and five months in jail and five years of probation and up to 15 years if he defaults or doesn’t testify at the Trump Organization’s trial. 

 

Only in a corrupt country like your present abode would law enforcement equate company car tax evasion with $multi million corporate fraud. 

 

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[trastrick]

20 hours ago, altus said:

Don't try and minimise his crimes - Allen Weisselberg, Trump Organization financial chief, pleads guilty to tax fraud

 

There's the part about them going back 15 years, and adding up his company "perks".

 

(Use of company car, writing off enetertainment as a business expense, has always been a grey area to audit, and goes on everywhere. as we speak)

 

The IRS somehow missed that stuff, or didn't prosecute it, until 2 months before the election 

 

But tax fraud is tax fraud. The Law is the Law!

 

So we will see some action on the literally $billions, that the Biden family receieved in salaries, fee, investment portfolios, from the Ukaine, the Communist Chines and Putin's Russia.

 

Also before the election.

 

We will, won't we?

 

Lol 

 

 

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by trastrick

[altus]

6 minutes ago, trastrick said:

You conveniently missed the part about them going back 15 years, and adding up his company "perks".

 

The IRS somehow missed that stuff, or didn't prosecute it, until 2 months before the election 

 

But tax fraud is tax fraud.

 

So we will see some action on the literally $billions, that the Biden family receieved in salaries, fee, investment portfolios, from the Ukaine, the Communist Chines and Putin's Russia.

 

Also before the election.

 

We will, won't we?

 

Lol 

 

 

 

If Trump's organisation and associates had paid the taxes due they wouldn't have been taken to court at all.

 

If Trump's organisation and associates hadn't spent so long trying to avoid this going to court it would be all over and done with long before the mid term elections.

 

 

I see the Republicans are now riling up their base objecting to the increased funding for the IRS. Makes you wonder what else they are trying to hide.

[trastrick]

1 hour ago, altus said:

If Trump's organisation and associates had paid the taxes due they wouldn't have been taken to court at all.

 

If Trump's organisation and associates hadn't spent so long trying to avoid this going to court it would be all over and done with long before the mid term elections.

 

 

I see the Republicans are now riling up their base objecting to the increased funding for the IRS. Makes you wonder what else they are trying to hide.

An employee of a Trump Organization didn't pay full taxes on his company "perks"?

 

How can Trump be responsible for that?

 

Doubling the number of IRS auditors, while the nation is facing rampant neighborhood crime and looting makes you wonder what their law enforcement priorities are.

 

Expense account cheats, cash barbers, and the local driveway repair guy are to be jailed for the first offense, but career criminals are roaming free:

 

NYC sucker punch suspect re-arrested for parole violation after walking free following attack

 

The suspect allegedly caught on video brutally sucker-punching a New York City pedestrian last week was arrested Friday for a parole violation, a day after he was taken into police custody and walked free after his charges were reportedly downgraded.

 

 

Phu allegedly approached Cortes just before 11 p.m. Aug. 12 and assaulted him as he was standing with a group after leaving a restaurant. 

 

From behind, he allegedly delivers a hard blow to Cortes’ head, lying him out on the concrete. Police said the two had no interaction beforehand and that there’s no indication the alleged attacker and victim knew each other.

 

Cortes sustained a skull fracture, broken cheek and brain bleeding. He remains hospitalized.

 

Phu was previously convicted of first-degree sex abuse in the Bronx in 1995 and was sentenced to six years to life in prison. He was paroled in 2019 and is now registered as a Level 3 sex offender — the most serious designation — for sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl in 1994, according to state records. 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-sucker-punch-suspect-re-arrested-parole-violation-walking-free-following-attack

 

[Magilla]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

The IRS somehow missed that stuff, or didn't prosecute it, until 2 months before the election 

Nope, it is the defendant who chose to drag it out this long... so has no-one to blame themselves.

 

Regardless, the case has been ongoing for many months...

 

...but you do make a good case for an increase in IRS funding to tackle the backlog that has grown as a result of underfunding

 

35 minutes ago, trastrick said:

Doubling the number of IRS auditors

So, whining that it's crap that the IRS is underfunded and cases take ages, but also whining about any efforts to fix the first thing you're whining about!

 

It doesn't sound like you've thought this through

 

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while the nation is facing rampant neighborhood crime and looting makes you wonder what their law enforcement priorities are.

All services to tackle these issues are paid for by monies collected by... you guessed it... the IRS!

 

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Expense account cheats, cash barbers, and the local driveway repair guy are to be jailed for the first offense, but career criminals are roaming free:

Which, of course, is why you spent the last week arguing that investigating these crimes is somehow unfair, and trying to undermine the veracity of the investigation at every turn!

 

A Trump cheerleader moaning about crime, or law and order...

 

...you couldn't make it up!

Edited August 20, 2022 by Magilla

[altus]

23 minutes ago, trastrick said:

An employee of a Trump Organization didn't pay full taxes on his company "perks"?

 

How can Trump be responsible for that?

Not just "An employee", someone who had worked for the Trumps for 5 decades and was the Trump Organization's chief financial officer. They haven't started the trial of the Trump Organization yet, but Weisselberg has agreed to testify against them.

 

He's refused to testify against Trump personally but if he confirms stuff the Trump Organization did that the prosecutors can link directly to Trump he will implicate him regardless.

 

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Doubling the number of IRS auditors, while the nation is facing rampant neighborhood crime and looting makes you wonder what their law enforcement priorities are.

First of all, the increase in IRS funding is primarily about two things:

1. Increasing the efficiency of the organisation. Decades of chronic underfunding, enforced by Republicans, means the IRS's procedures, even those not related to enforcement, are antiquated, inefficient and paper based. Improving this will make it easier, cheaper and more convenient for US citizens to submit their tax returns.
2. Increasing the number of auditors will pay for itself in increasing the amount of tax received. This is the bit that Republicans are really against because they stand to lose the most from being made to pay the taxes they owe.

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Expense account cheats, cash barbers, and the local driveway repair guy are to be jailed for the first offense, but career criminals are roaming free:

 

NYC sucker punch suspect re-arrested for parole violation after walking free following attack

That's just some unrelated whataboutism. More taxes collected would mean the ability to pay for more police officers.

[Annie Bynnol]

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

There's the part about them going back 15 years, and adding up his company "perks".

 

(Use of company car, writing off enetertainment as a business expense, has always been a grey area to audit, and goes on everywhere. as we speak)

 

The IRS somehow missed that stuff, or didn't prosecute it, until 2 months before the election 

 

But tax fraud is tax fraud. The Law is the Law!

 

So we will see some action on the literally $billions, that the Biden family receieved in salaries, fee, investment portfolios, from the Ukaine, the Communist Chines and Putin's Russia.

 

Apologizing for far-right criminals is what you and Trump have in common.

The Chief Financial Officer is not just  any "...employee of a Trump Organization".

A competent CFO would know about "grey"(?) areas.

Most criminals do not think of  $1.7 million as "perks".

This criminal also enabled others to help themselves.

 

When you, Trump and  Giuliani submit to the courts your evidence that Joe Biden  "...receieved(sic)..." a "...fee..." etc., from the Ukaine(sic), the Communist Chines(sic) and Putin's Russia" in the amounts of "...literally $billions, ..." they can start the process before the election.

 

[Slinny]

15 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Apologizing for far-right criminals is what you and Trump have in common.

The Chief Financial Officer is not just  any "...employee of a Trump Organization".

A competent CFO would know about "grey"(?) areas.

Most criminals do not think of  $1.7 million as "perks".

This criminal also enabled others to help themselves.

 

When you, Trump and  Giuliani submit to the courts your evidence that Joe Biden  "...receieved(sic)..." a "...fee..." etc., from the Ukaine(sic), the Communist Chines(sic) and Putin's Russia" in the amounts of "...literally $billions, ..." they can start the process before the election.

 

Why does anyone side with a  man if got back in power would have strutted around  th ebig l am , all for the good off himself and his rich mates , who could  make him more wealthy . If he was in power now he would be clearing his own debts  do we really need the likes off him , but we have our own  so called government,  how did it get to this ,