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[Padders]

3 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Its absolutely bonkers that someone with all this hanging over him is allowed to still run for President.

Would a policeman under investigation still be allowed to be on the streets, or a surgeon accused of killing someone during surgery be allowed to still operate on people?

 

He may be innocent but he should be nowhere near politics until this is all dealt with.

What surprises me HHR, is a country the size of America can only find a couple of incumbent octogenarian's to run the country?

[HeHasRisen]

26 minutes ago, Padders said:

What surprises me HHR, is a country the size of America can only find a couple of incumbent octogenarian's to run the country?

Ha, its a fair point. Suppose if Biden wants to go again there is nothing anyone can do to stop him, given he is the incumbent.

As for the other rabble, they should give Ron DeSantis a go, he is only in his mid 40s.

[Padders]

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Ha, its a fair point. Suppose if Biden wants to go again there is nothing anyone can do to stop him, given he is the incumbent.

As for the other rabble, they should give Ron DeSantis a go, he is only in his mid 40s.

Makes sense HHR.

[trastrick]

3 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:

He may be innocent but he should be nowhere near politics until this is all dealt with.

"He may be innocent"!

 

Aye, there's the rub! 

In a democracy you are presumed innocent unless convicted in a duly constituted Court of Law.

 

A "bonkers idea"?  

That's the mindset of your fellow travelers in Communist China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and miscellaneous tin pot banana republics in Africa, and South America.

 

He has been "Indicted" and charged in some 100 or so Counts of "Alleged" wrongdoing, but he has not been formally arrested and taken into custody, and so remains a free man. Free to run for political office, like any other innocent citizen.

 

The question of his guilt remains to be adjudicated in a real Court of Law.

 

So far we have seen:

 

Russian Collusion - Failed

Impeachment 1 (Bribery) - Failed

Impeachment 2 (Obstruction of Justice) - Failed

Civil Rape Charge - Failed

 

Only another 100 or so "allegations" to go!

 

Once again, I would advise the luddite pitchfork and torch mobs to be patient. After 6 years, they have a tendency to premature ejaculations. 

 

[HeHasRisen]

13 minutes ago, trastrick said:

"He may be innocent"!

 

Aye, there's the rub! 

In a democracy you are presumed innocent unless convicted in a duly constituted Court of Law.

 

A "bonkers idea"?  

That's the mindset of your fellow travelers in Communist China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and miscellaneous tin pot banana republics in Africa, and South America.

 

He has been "Indicted" and charged in some 100 or so Counts of "Alleged" wrongdoing, but he has not been formally arrested and taken into custody, and so remains a free man. Free to run for political office, like any other innocent citizen.

 

The question of his guilt remains to be adjudicated in a real Court of Law.

 

So far we have seen:

 

Russian Collusion - Failed

Impeachment 1 (Bribery) - Failed

Impeachment 2 (Obstruction of Justice) - Failed

Civil Rape Charge - Failed

 

Only another 100 or so "allegations" to go!

 

Once again, I would advise the luddite pitchfork and torch mobs to be patient. After 6 years, they have a tendency to premature ejaculations. 

 

I couldn't give a fig if he has done what he is accused of or not, all I am suggesting he should be nowhere near politics until this is sorted. It's not an unreasonable position to take, see the two comparible examples I gave 

Edited August 2, 2023 by HeHasRisen

[Magilla]

4 minutes ago, trastrick said:

The question of his guilt remains to be adjudicated in a real Court of Law.

 

So far we have seen:

 

Russian Collusion - Failed

Impeachment 1 (Bribery) - Failed

Impeachment 2 (Obstruction of Justice) - Failed

Civil Rape Charge - Failed

Impeachments are not conducted in a court of law, never have been!

 

He was not acquitted because he was innocent, entirely the opposite. There was a mountain of evidence.... Republicans refused to look at it.

 

Trumps second impeachment was not related to any obstruction of justice, it was for "incitement of insurrection"

 

Civil rape... if you can call getting a multimillion dollar judgement set against you, a win... sure! 🤣

 

 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Magilla said:

... Civil rape... if you can call getting a multimillion dollar judgement set against you, a win... sure! 🤣

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

 

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A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.

The filing from Judge Lewis A. Kaplan came as Trump’s attorneys have sought a new trial and have argued that the jury’s $5 million verdict against Trump in the civil suit was excessive. The reason, they argue, is that sexual abuse could be as limited as the “groping” of a victim’s breasts.
Kaplan roundly rejected Trump’s motion Tuesday, calling that argument “entirely unpersuasive.”

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

 

And the defamation case is going to trial in January.

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Magilla said:

He was not acquitted because he was innocent, entirely the opposite. There was a mountain of evidence.... Republicans refused to look at it.

 

Trumps second impeachment was not related to any obstruction of justice, it was for "incitement of insurrection"

 

He was impeached twice, but the Senate failed to secure a majority conviction because maga,

 

In the second impeachment, for example:

 

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At the conclusion of the trial, the Senate voted 57–43 to convict Trump of inciting insurrection, falling 10 votes short of the two-thirds majority required by the Constitution, and Trump was therefore acquitted. Seven Republican senators joined all Democratic and independent senators in voting to convict Trump, the largest bipartisan vote for an impeachment conviction of a U.S. president or former U.S. president. After the vote on the acquittal, Mitch McConnell said it is no doubt that Trump is practically and morally responsible for inciting the events at the Capitol but he voted against conviction due to his interpretation of the United States Constitution.

From Wiki.

[Annie Bynnol]

 

Former President Donald Trump is facing  78 criminal charges.

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

"He may be innocent"!

Aye, there's the rub! 
In a democracy you are presumed innocent unless convicted in a duly constituted Court of Law.

A "bonkers idea"?  
That's the mindset of your fellow travelers in Communist China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and miscellaneous tin pot banana republics in Africa, and South America.

He has been "Indicted" and charged in some 100 or so Counts of "Alleged" wrongdoing, but he has not been formally arrested and taken into custody, and so remains a free man. Free to run for political office, like any other innocent citizen.

The question of his guilt remains to be adjudicated in a real Court of Law.

So far we have seen:

Russian Collusion - Failed

Impeachment 1 (Bribery) - Failed

Impeachment 2 (Obstruction of Justice) - Failed

Civil Rape Charge - Failed

Only another 100 or so "allegations" to go!

Once again, I would advise the luddite pitchfork and torch mobs to be patient. After 6 years, they have a tendency to premature ejaculations. 

   It is not 'more of the same' that you imply.

   Those of us interested in American politics can see and hear for ourselves what is happening. Your assumption that being only 2500 km away from Washington gives you better insight is not borne out by the accuracy of your interpretations. What has recently happened is that the for the first time ever an American president or ex-president had been indicted in not one, but three and probably four criminal cases. 

Criminal charges in the Jan 6th Insurrection Case  at U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Criminal charges in the Classified Documents Case at U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida(heard by a Trump appointee).

Criminal charges in the Falsifying business records Case in connection with a payoff to Stormy Daniels at New York state court.

Criminal charges in the Georgia Election Interference Investigation at Georgia state court.

Edited August 2, 2023 by Annie Bynnol

[trastrick]

I erred in my post Re Impeachment 2, as pointed out by another poster.

 

I'll repost with the correction made! 

 

 

"He may be innocent"!

 

Aye, there's the rub!  

In a democracy you are presumed innocent unless convicted in a duly constituted Court of Law.

 

A "bonkers idea"?  

That's the mindset of your fellow travelers in Communist China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and miscellaneous tin pot banana republics in Africa, and South America.

 

He has been "Indicted" and charged in some 100 or so Counts of "Alleged" wrongdoing, but he has not been formally arrested and taken into custody, and so remains a free man. Free to run for political office, like any other innocent citizen.

 

The question of his guilt remains to be adjudicated in a real Court of Law.

 

So far we have seen:

 

Russian Collusion - Failed

Impeachment 1 (Bribery) - Failed

Impeachment 2 (Incitement of Insurrection) - Failed

Civil Rape Charge - Failed

 

Only another 100 or so "allegations" to go!

 

Once again, I would advise the luddite pitchfork and torch mobs to be patient. After 6 years, they have a tendency to premature ejaculations.